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  1. Lily is offline
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    'Shift work' is code for assasination right?
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    I don't think it would nullify the clinch, but you'd obviously have to practice your clinch work with the groin shots added, make some modifications, and just all-around be wary of them. Daido Juku allows groin shots when there's a significant weight disparity between competitors and they clinch, knee, and throw like crazy anyways.

    If I fought in an environment that allowed groin shots I think I'd want to spend extra time working on my clinch, not less. I'd want to make absolutely sure I was good at controlling people in the clinch so I didn't wind up a soprano and also so I could take advantage of the rules myself and exploit the groin shots.

    That being said, I don't think I'd really want to train that way, since I've already taken more than enough unintentional groin shots to last me awhile. Maybe once in a blue moon with steel cups, knee pads, and lighter contact just for some practice dealing with it, but otherwise...**** that!!
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    if you're properly controlling your opponent's posture, knees to the groin from the clinch shouldn't be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid_
    Well its mainly greco roman wrestling that I do, I did thaiboxing for about a year - especially there, I was worried very often that the other guy would knee me in the balls unintentionally,which made me use a less square stance than when Im wrestling greco roman, and now Im doing bjj for almost 2 years.
    Of course you have to change the way you face your opponent when the weapons change. You just need to adapt what you are doing in order to minimise the risks, it doesn't mean that greco isn't a great base for the clinch. Of course, you can't use a pure greco-clinch in MMA or anywhere else that doesn't ban strikes, but that holds true for BJJ groundwork as well.

    Oh I dont doubt a knee to the liver/plexus would get me down, thing is they wouldnt get a pro fighter down, whereas when getting kneed to the groin, it doesnt really matter if your an experienced fighter or not.
    Actually, a clean strike to any of those places would seriously damage a fighter, pro or not, they might not instantly drop anyone like a knee to the face would, but you can bet your ass it would set up that knockout blow. The same goes for a groin-strike. Unless you hit him hard enough in the sack to cause his body to go into emergency shutdown, an experienced fighter will cover up and react as he would if he had been hit in the solar plexus.

    Getting hit in the balls hurt like hell, but like any pain it can be fought through. The most effective use of the groinstrike in most scenarios is to use the fear of getting hit in the nuts, in order to set up something else.

    This subject has been done to death. Read one of the other threads about the subject, unless you bring something new to table concerning this I still wonder what the point of this thread is?
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    People (specially enraged or drugged) have been known to fight back even after being severely shot or stabbed, so monkey-steals-the-peach =/= guaranteed fight ender.
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    The point was for me to understand the subject, which I now do. Thank you :)
  7. Holy Moment is online now
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    In the old days of MMA, groin strikes were mixed in with other knee strikes from the clinch. Royce Gracie used them occasionally, but of course he never knocked anyone out with a low blow. Personally, I'd rather have a clear shot at the head than at the balls. The balls are a comparatively small target that I might miss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily
    'Shift work' is code for assasination right?
    If I told I'd have to kill you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily
    'Shift work' is code for assasination right?
    Gaurding Hatsumi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    People (specially enraged or drugged) have been known to fight back even after being severely shot or stabbed, so monkey-steals-the-peach =/= guaranteed fight ender.
    True, but I'm not prone to rage nor do I get drugged up. How I should alter my clinch work to protect MY balls is a valid question.
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