11/20/2008 10:46am, #11Originally Posted by It is Fake
11/20/2008 10:47am, #12
Originally Posted by PeopleSoft
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11/20/2008 10:48am, #13
Yeah, I have actually heard that.
I went with the name the old curmudgeon might remember.
11/20/2008 10:48am, #14Originally Posted by rocketsurgeon
The Kimura story is particularly annoying since it appeared in a newspaper yet people still screw it up. But that happened to Motobu, too (except the paper screwed it up in that case, but anyway...).
I think that it just emphasizes how it's important to teach history and philosophy along with martial arts.
11/20/2008 10:51am, #15Originally Posted by 1point2
Then we get the argument that these two, taught together, is why we have all the old stories/history intertwined and fucked up all of these centuries later.
Damn it see what you made me do.
11/20/2008 10:55am, #16Originally Posted by It is Fake
Fucker.Shut the hell up and train.
11/20/2008 10:59am, #17Originally Posted by BENXPX
Originally Posted by 1point2
Some confusion is understandable because it does say 'Victory of Helio Gracie!' in massive letters and 'Moral' before it in very small ones.
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11/20/2008 10:59am, #18Originally Posted by It is Fake
11/20/2008 11:00am, #19Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
11/20/2008 11:15am, #20
Gracie Shamrock 1 lasted :57 with Royce chocking Ken. Match 2 happened 2 years later and lasted 36 min and was ruled a draw due to it had a time limit and no judges. IIRC the rule was knockout or tapout. They fought for 30 min then were stood up and went to an overtime round of 6 min. With the only significant technique being Ken punching Royce in the face after the stand up when Royce went for a push kick. It was the first "Superfight" in the UFC.
The headline for Morale Victory for Gracie was because Kimura said if Gracie lasted more than 10 minutes against him it would be amazing. Since then there was been talks of Kimura allowing the match to go past the 10 minute mark so Gracie could keep some pride. After reading Meada's book I am not surprised if it is the truth.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.