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  1. PointyShinyBurn is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Telephone.
    Over here this game is generally called 'Chinese whispers'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleSoft
    Like I say, history matters. Everyone does this, even on Bullshido. For example, people on this site often reference the introduction of 5 minute rounds by the UFC as having been good for the sport. Even with the video evidence, people still ignore the fact that there were 5 minute rounds in *UFC I*. After none of the matches went 5:00, this was dropped for UFC II and re-introduced later. The oft quoted rationalization came from Jason DeLucia's post fight interview in UFC I: 'If the fight goes longer than 5:00, there's something wrong with the way the people are fighting.' Of course no one remembers this either, because this fight isn't on "'In The Beginning". You had to actually have watched the program.
    Uh wasn't the fight between Royce and Shamrock like 40 minutes long?
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    Yeah, I have actually heard that.

    I went with the name the old curmudgeon might remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketsurgeon
    Ever see the patch for Isshinryu? It's a chick sitting crosslegged who supposedly came to the founder in a dream. My instructor told me that story straight faced when I was a lad. Who knows what the kimura story will be in a couple of hundred years.
    E-Van, miraculously, is correct. Having visions and naming your new style after it was a common practice, especially for an I-Ching-referencing hippy like Tatsuo. The chick is (or is a reference to) Kannon, goddess of mercy.

    The Kimura story is particularly annoying since it appeared in a newspaper yet people still screw it up. But that happened to Motobu, too (except the paper screwed it up in that case, but anyway...).

    I think that it just emphasizes how it's important to teach history and philosophy along with martial arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2
    I think that it just emphasizes how it's important to teach history and philosophy along with martial arts.
    Nonononono let's not go there please.

    Then we get the argument that these two, taught together, is why we have all the old stories/history intertwined and fucked up all of these centuries later.

    Damn it see what you made me do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Yeah, I have actually heard that.

    I went with the name the old curmudgeon might remember.
    Yes, I do remember it being called, "Telephone" now. Thank you.

    Fucker.
    Shut the hell up and train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BENXPX
    Uh wasn't the fight between Royce and Shamrock like 40 minutes long?
    Their second fight at UFC 5 was 36 minutes long.
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    The Kimura story is particularly annoying since it appeared in a newspaper yet people still screw it up.
    This newspaper?

    Some confusion is understandable because it does say 'Victory of Helio Gracie!' in massive letters and 'Moral' before it in very small ones.
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    Nonononono let's not go there please.

    Then we get the argument that these two, taught together, is why we have all the old stories/history intertwined and fucked up all of these centuries later.

    Damn it see what you made me do.
    I agree, but if the Gracies didn't publicize Maeda everywhere they could, then we would have no story at all. We're always going to have self-aggrandizing history-writers in MA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Their second fight at UFC 5 was 36 minutes long.

    This newspaper?

    Some confusion is understandable because it does say 'Victory of Helio Gracie!' is massive letters and 'Moral' before it in very small ones.
    Ha! I've seen the picture, but forgot the headline. Ok, new scapegoat: the radical-liberal media elite!
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    Gracie Shamrock 1 lasted :57 with Royce chocking Ken. Match 2 happened 2 years later and lasted 36 min and was ruled a draw due to it had a time limit and no judges. IIRC the rule was knockout or tapout. They fought for 30 min then were stood up and went to an overtime round of 6 min. With the only significant technique being Ken punching Royce in the face after the stand up when Royce went for a push kick. It was the first "Superfight" in the UFC.

    The headline for Morale Victory for Gracie was because Kimura said if Gracie lasted more than 10 minutes against him it would be amazing. Since then there was been talks of Kimura allowing the match to go past the 10 minute mark so Gracie could keep some pride. After reading Meada's book I am not surprised if it is the truth.
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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