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    "This is why we are here. Because the Martial Arts for too long have been cloaked in an unnecessary level of secrecy bordering on mysticism, and its in these shadows that the cockroaches love to hide. -Phrost"

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    Squerlli: Checking a thigh kick with your knee, if done right, will seriously hurt the person kicking. It's all about where the knee checks the leg.

    Needless to say during sparring I've been checked that way (even by a noobie who probably fluked it but still pulled it off none the less) my leg has been wrecked for the rest of the sparring lesson.

    I personally check with my shin and that's what I prefer, but I'm not writing off a knee check at all.
    The knee, being a major joint, is an ineffecient blocking tool for the following reason;

    Even if in that instance it blocks succesfully and causes your opponent great damage, you are risking long-term injury.

    There is no 'if dont right' with this. It is retarded to think that you could check kicks with a bent or extended knee joint and not harm yourself doing so.
    "This is why we are here. Because the Martial Arts for too long have been cloaked in an unnecessary level of secrecy bordering on mysticism, and its in these shadows that the cockroaches love to hide. -Phrost"

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    So I'm retarded for thinking this even though it's been done on me multiple times? Even though my calf muscle (which is where it tends to check) is completely corked afterwards?

    I'm not saying this is a beginners technique, or that shin checking shouldn't be your first priority. I'm saying it can work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    There is no 'if dont right' with this. It is retarded to think that you could check kicks with a bent or extended knee joint and not harm yourself doing so.
    I don't know about this. The bent joint is a completely different animal. Look at the vulnerability of the extended elbow joint (arm bar) compared to the bent joint (elbow striking). I have done this by accident also, and it never hurt me too badly. That said, using the knee instead of the shin is improper MT form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey

    There is no 'if dont right' with this. It is retarded to think that you could check kicks with a bent or extended knee joint and not harm yourself doing so.
    Where did you get this information?
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    Budomonkeh: Is that your kid!?

    ADM: Knee checking CAN work, but in comparison to checking with the shin it's too risky and just not worth it. I guess you can train it to work but I don't even want to think about what type of long/short term injury could arise from that.

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    Domite- It's like Squerrli said, it can work. It can work a number of times with great success. I don't know serious medicine, just what I'm studying for the EMT certification for the fire academy. It seems to me, sir, that doing this, even if it is succesful is a risk for two reasons;
    1) long term ligament/bone/muscle damage not felt during the initial impact is likely. I have torn muscle, tissue, and a ligament just from throwing knees. Considering that, I would say using them them to stop full force kicks is very dangerous.
    2) instantenous injury. You can say, 'if done right'..blah blah blah. There is a reason this technique is not taught in muay thai or any other style. It's because, what if you misalign your defence by a half inch and it is 'done wrong?' Your knee will get fucking obliterated, that's what..

    It depends on the power of the attack and wether or not the attacker strikes you correctly with the right part of his foot, which makes all the variables in their favor.
    If I throw a low kick at you, the way I throw low kicks, you can guarun-damn-tee if my shin connects with your bent knee your kneecap is going to get destroyed.

    If you don't want to take my advice, fine. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you about this theoretical bullshit. Go for it. Go out there, invent your own offshoot of muay thai and start checking kicks with your kneecap. Best of luck to you. Don't send me the hospital bills.

    Squerrli- Yes, that's me and my kid at the morikami japanese gardens. He's fucking awesome. His name's Felix, he's 2 1/2 years old and he's the best thing that ever happened to me.
    "This is why we are here. Because the Martial Arts for too long have been cloaked in an unnecessary level of secrecy bordering on mysticism, and its in these shadows that the cockroaches love to hide. -Phrost"

    Quote Originally Posted by Squerlli
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    Understood that damage can occur from this. In my person experience I've never come off second best whenever I managed to use this (out of pure reaction mind you). Could say I've been luck these past few years but the more senior people don't have much of an issue with it, granted they've been fighting a lot longer then me.

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    Also I don't do Muay Thai, I do Kyokushin, but since the topic of leg checking came up I thought I'd add something. I'm not going to be creating my own special Muay Thai style any day soon.
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    Sure, ADM, and kyokushin know-how applies. I've done a kykoshin tournament and those guys kick hard as hell.

    I'm not saying I haven't been in a situation where you go to check a kick with your shin, and the guy hits your leg at the knee instead while it's still bent and his leg recoils in horror. It happens all the time, and can greatly injur the other guy (entirely depending on his level of conditioning. A thai fighter will fracture your ****).

    I'm just sayin...I wouldn't go trying to do it on purpose for a number of reaons.
    "This is why we are here. Because the Martial Arts for too long have been cloaked in an unnecessary level of secrecy bordering on mysticism, and its in these shadows that the cockroaches love to hide. -Phrost"

    Quote Originally Posted by Squerlli
    And of course, our resident hard man, underground fighter, kitten rescuer, loving father (I'm serious), and over all very sexy furry ************... Budo monkeh.
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