223799 Bullies, 3735 online  
  • Register
Our Sponsors:

Results 1 to 10 of 172
Page 1 of 18 1 234511 ... LastLast
Sponsored Links Spacer Image
  1. War is offline

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Everywhere
    Posts
    5

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 3:17am

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: Ninjutsu, Muay Thai

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Bullshido Muay Thai Techniques?

    Muay Thai


    When we speak of some martial arts we tend to find what we feel 'bullshido' about them. Recently I felt many of the Ninjutsu techniques are unrealistic, like the straight walk in punch for example.

    When we speak of Muay Thai, is there anything within it that you feel is poor or unrealistic? My question is not about what Muay Thai lacks in the art of fighting, if I ask that you can say it lacks ground work etc, no what I mean is when we speak of Muay Thai, as it is, is there anything to it that you feel is unrealistic?
  2. Kambei Shimada is offline
    Kambei Shimada's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Surrey-England
    Posts
    1,385

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 4:24am


     Style: Sub-Grap/MMA

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    No not really, I'm certainly no expert on this but contemporary Muay Thai has come from arts like Muay Boran and has evolved purely through competitive sport fighting. All the unrealistic or flowery techniques have been discarded over the years.

    You could easily argue Muay Thai is missing certain things (takedowns etc..) but pretty much everything you do learn In a decent Thai Boxing class can be applied against a resisting opponent.
    Last edited by Kambei Shimada; 11/12/2008 5:10am at .
  3. PointyShinyBurn is offline
    PointyShinyBurn's Avatar

    Gnarly King of Half-Guard

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    4,220

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 5:21am

    Join us... or die
     Style: BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If you mean 'Are there things in Muay Thai that can get you in trouble in a less restrictive rule set' then, yes, there are a couple. For example, the way a pure MT fighter tends to defend the clinch (basically posturing straight up and leaning back slightly) is very vulnerable to take downs under rule sets that allow it.
  4. codo3500 is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    147

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 8:41am


     Style: BJJ/Muay Thai (MMA)

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    A lot of traditional MT guys that i've seen videos of will drop their hands while kicking. My guess is that its just to add a bit of momentum and allow the whole body to be behind the kick. At my gym they do the exact same kicking style but we keep our hands up.
  5. Matt Phillips is online now
    Matt Phillips's Avatar

    NOTE TO SELF - MOAR GRAPPLE - GET A NORMAL HAIR CUT - REPEAT

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Bahstun
    Posts
    9,650

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 8:56am

    supporting member
     Style: Submission Grappling

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Standing on your opponent's thigh and elbowing the top of his head comes to mind. Also the hanuman uppercut is pretty ridiculous, if rarely used.
  6. 1point2 is online now
    1point2's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    4,104

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 10:25am

    Join us... or die
     Style: 剛 and 柔

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Overspecialization in any ruleset begets overspecialized techniques that do not conform to general reality, ie, other rulesets or the lack of rulesets. This does not, however, invalidate the original ruleset, training for any single ruleset, or rule-specific techniques.

    Full-contact TKD begets spinning kicks.

    Muay Thai begets MT-specific clinch defense.

    Orthodox Kyokushin begets a tendency not to facepunch.

    Boxing begets vulnerability to lower-body takedowns.

    However: Kyokushin, Muay Thai, boxing, and full-contact TKD are martial sports of superior quality, immeasurable depth, focused training, and powerful technique. The benefits of training in them far outweighs the drawbacks of falling into "poor or unrealistic" habits.

    But yeah, sure, MT has a few holes in its takedown defense. But (THIS...IS...STRIKEISTAN!!! CHESTKICK) MT is devised as a striking art, and I don't think there are any significant holes in its striking methodology. Oracle and codo mention a few highly-MT-specific things, but that's the worst you're going to get. Training in MT, including those highly-MT-specific things, will still make you a terrific striker against trained and untrained opponents.
  7. WhiteShark is offline
    WhiteShark's Avatar

    1% Shark is better than you.

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Atlanta GA
    Posts
    9,179

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 10:31am

    supporting memberforum leaderstaff
     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    This is not a technique post. Moving to YMAS.
  8. patfromlogan is offline
    patfromlogan's Avatar

    Heavyweight

    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Hilo Island of Hawaii
    Posts
    8,844

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 10:38am

    supporting member
     Style: Kyokushinkai / Kajukenbo

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Ignoring the lack of Judo and JJ, I think that MT is great. The only hole would be if one was concerned about sd. I don't think they spend much time on counters in sd situations. Then again, I've never used anything clever in sd as something like a roundhouse to the ankle ends it rather quickly (trained people who come out of styles that don't allow leg sweeping kicks are suckers for 'em, and untrained people weigh their front foot and go down).
    "Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
  9. Anna Kovacs is offline
    Anna Kovacs's Avatar

    Spear Sister

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Las Vegas, NV
    Posts
    6,421

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 10:43am

    supporting membersupporting member
     Style: Dancing the Spears

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by codo3500
    A lot of traditional MT guys that i've seen videos of will drop their hands while kicking. My guess is that its just to add a bit of momentum and allow the whole body to be behind the kick. At my gym they do the exact same kicking style but we keep our hands up.


    I can only imagine the lolz that trying to keep your hands by your face and simultaneously trying to turn your kicks over results in.

    Actually, I don't have to imagine because they used to ttryto do the same thing in karate and it really doesn't work very well for....just about anyone.
    Last edited by Anna Kovacs; 11/12/2008 10:45am at .
  10. Permalost is online now
    Permalost's Avatar

    pro nonsense self defense

    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    12,528

    Posted On:
    11/12/2008 12:53pm

    supporting member
     Style: FMA, dumbek, Indian clubs

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by codo3500
    A lot of traditional MT guys that i've seen videos of will drop their hands while kicking. My guess is that its just to add a bit of momentum and allow the whole body to be behind the kick. At my gym they do the exact same kicking style but we keep our hands up.
    This is more of a theoretical problem than a realized one, like people saying when you miss, spinning in a circle leaves your back open. Both makes sense on paper but the fact that both allow for a powerful kick with the proper use of the hips establishes a range that make it difficult to counter, and the openings are only there for a very brief moment in time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle66
    Standing on your opponent's thigh and elbowing the top of his head comes to mind. Also the hanuman uppercut is pretty ridiculous, if rarely used.
    I wouldn't call those muay thai techniques. They just happen to be wearing the same outfit.
Page 1 of 18 1 234511 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Powered by vBulletin™© contact@vbulletin.com vBulletin Solutions, Inc. 2011 All rights reserved.