Gaining weight on a vegetarian diet and funky gis, (not necessarily related).

[Tonuzaba]

I would eat you and your whole family. Obviously. :bduh:

Antisemite. :wave:

Nobody ever thinks about the way the bacteria suffer.

I do, actually.

I wish I could be their size sometimes: the friendly ones (like Bifidobacteria) I'd like to pet on the head, the malign ones I'd like to exterminate one by one in a NHB fight.

I also think a lot about how scientists should figure out how to get cellulose-decomposing bacteria cultures into our digestive system, so we could survive on raw plant material, if need be.

No plant eating animal (from termite to elephant) can - without the help of bacteria.

[Teh El Macho]

Antisemite. :wave:


I do, actually.

I wish I could be their size sometimes: the friendly ones (like Bifidobacteria) I'd like to pet on the head, the malign ones I'd like to exterminate one by one in a NHB fight.

I also think a lot about how scientists should figure out how to get cellulose-decomposing bacteria cultures into our digestive system, so we could survive on raw plant material, if need be.

No plant eating animal (from termite to elephant) can - without the help of bacteria.

Exaaactly. Having a long digestive system (as some vegacrionists claim we have) is not sufficient for being a herbivore. Bacteria is needed, and then either an organism develop a complex stomach that allows for the decomposition of plant material, or they have to rely on regurgitation or coprophagia (or a combination of both).


Meat eating OTH does not require such anatomical/behavioral adaptations. And either means of obtaining nutrients is just an adaptation. Entire orders, groups of animals constantly switch back and forth from nutrient extraction strategies: from carnivory to omnivory to herbivory, predation to detritivory, as they exploit niches or respond to external pressures. Each strategy has its advantages and disadvantages. It is never perfect.


This is why I laugh when I see these vegacrionists telling me or anybody that a human is not meant to eat meat because of the length of his digestive system. That kind of crap is no different from a creationist trying to use pseudo-science to explain how the universe was made in seven days.

That an animal (cow, human, whatever) evolves a particular strategy is just the result of a long string of random events, something that is amoral (inappropriate to be labeled as moral or immoral.) Most important of all, it is natural.

[Hedgehogey]

Antisemite. :wave:

A self-hating one too. He's even pro-Palestine.

I do, actually.

I wish I could be their size sometimes: the friendly ones (like Bifidobacteria) I'd like to pet on the head, the malign ones I'd like to exterminate one by one in a NHB fight.

I also think a lot about how scientists should figure out how to get cellulose-decomposing bacteria cultures into our digestive system, so we could survive on raw plant material, if need be.

No plant eating animal (from termite to elephant) can - without the help of bacteria.

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[EmetShamash]

OK, what the ****? Why am I an anti-semite? First I am Jewish, second WTF? Why am I self-hating? Is this because I am anti-Zionist? I am so confused...

Anyway, I should concede that I do not know enough about human evolutionary history to make an educated statement on anything related to it. I don't know enough about our current physiology either to make good arguments against alot of the stuff that TEM or other people say. I will say that I don't think that the fossil evidence we have so far is not conclusive enough to know that much for certain. In other words, I am not convinced, but I don't have a whole lot to argue with.

I hope they come out with a season 2!

[Hedgehogey]

That's right duder. Didn't you know? Zionists have an unconditional trademark on the opinions of all the world's Jewry.

[Hedgehogey]

All our ethnographic data of the !Kung and other hunter-gatherer societies points to meat being a small minority of their diet.

[Ajamil]

Exaaactly. Having a long digestive system (as some vegacrionists claim we have) is not sufficient for being a herbivore. Bacteria is needed, and then either an organism develop a complex stomach that allows for the decomposition of plant material, or they have to rely on regurgitation or coprophagia (or a combination of both).

I don't think any animal could survive without the digestive processes of the bacteria in their stomachs and intestines - are carnivores any different then? I know humans need bacteria to properly digest.

Also, while i don't disagree with you on any point so far, i don't see why the choices and adaptations of the past should influence (nevermind that, influence certainly, but limit or restrict) the choices made today.

Most important of all, it is natural.

We developed the ability to choose not to naturally as well, why knock it as unnatural to leave off meat-eating as a habit of the past - to be done away with like superstition in the face of repeateable evidence?

[Jack Rusher]

All our ethnographic data of the !Kung and other hunter-gatherer societies points to meat being a small minority of their diet.

A representative quote from one of the !Kung hunters: "From the day I was born, I was born for meat." — The Old Way: A Story of the First People, Elizabeth Marshall Thomas

The tiny bushmen (~100 lb) eat ~1/2 lb of large game meat/day for much of the year[1], falling off to smaller quantities in winter. The rest of their diet is forage, which includes many kinds of slow game (lizards, birds, grubs, ostrich eggs, &c).

[1] Health and the Rise of Civilization, Mark Nathan Cohen

I came to this thread to help you put together a healthy veggie diet for training, not to argue about whether it's "natural" for humans to eat meat. Good luck, try to eat some chickpeas and lentils, and I'm out...

[TheRuss]

Also, while i don't disagree with you on any point so far, i don't see why the choices and adaptations of the past should influence (nevermind that, influence certainly, but limit or restrict) the choices made today.

We developed the ability to choose not to naturally as well, why knock it as unnatural to leave off meat-eating as a habit of the past - to be done away with like superstition in the face of repeateable evidence?

I guess you didn't read the bulk of this thread (or all the ones that came before it).

If one feels an ethical compulsion in that direction they should do it. My only gripe is with the attempt to justify that ethical decision with pseudoscience.

[Zendetta]

I wish I could be their size sometimes: the friendly ones (like Bifidobacteria) I'd like to pet on the head, the malign ones I'd like to exterminate one by one in a NHB fight.

MMA won't work against multiple attackers, and bacteria ALWAYS attack in numbers.

THis may be why so many MMA fighters lose to Staphylococcus.

Try RBSD.