"A Killing Art"

[DerAuslander]

But General Choi's TKD has nothing to do with North Korean attrocities, Fug! How dare you insinuate that!

[Miguksaram]

[QUOTE=Earl Weiss]Well, FWIW (since I have started it.) Some are not mentioned by name. QUOTE]

Well did he mention one of his sources being a handsome white guy from Chicagoland area? If so that might be me. :5squeeze:

[Miguksaram]

this is from the site:
The art has always espoused high ideals and fought violence with violence, but from 1955 to the present, the art's founders did their best to hide the painful truths about their art's history of secret-service agents, Korean gangsters, espionage missions and cheating in the Olympics.

THIS is bs? Sounds like an honest statement.

And from the NY Times:
The Japanese police say they have 13 cases of Japanese citizens who are presumed to have been abducted to North Korea. At a human rights conference here last month, advocates said they knew of 73 cases.

It is no secret about NK kidnapping Japanese. But what does this have to do with TKD? Did NK use secret TKD ninjas to do the kidnapping?

[DerAuslander]

If you're gonna kidnap somebody...

[Miguksaram]

Excerpt from the interview:

The book was extremely difficult to research because many of the
facts were unbelievable, bizarre and took enormous effort to
corroborate. I began by reading most of the mainstream works about Tae
Kwon Do and conducting a couple of crucial interviews (to see if I
could gain access to the deeper stories), then I dove into obscure
sources, including more than 4,000 pages of U.S. Congressional
documents about Koreagate (the scandal that followed Watergate in the
1970s), documents that contained previously classified details about
martial arts leaders and secret-service agents in Tae Kwon Do in the
1960s and 1970s, which was when Tae Kwon Do became as hot as Karate and
Kung Fu.

I interviewed some of the pioneers of the art after much of the
research was done interviews that were the most challenging in my
life as an investigative journalist. In once case, I had to interview a
former martial arts assassin. In a second, I needed to corroborate that
a martial arts instructor had been a Korean CIA agent in a highly
publicized presidential kidnapping. In a third, I had to triple-check
that a cult had been involved with Tae Kwon Do. I found at least two
sources, usually three, for every fact.

During the interviews, too many people asked not to be named or told
me to avoid naming someone who might take offense. I'd sit back at
night and think things like, "Okay, this martial artist who I'm not
supposed to name was part of a mass espionage mission that resulted in
innocent people tortured and killed, and I'm supposed to be careful not
to hurt his feelings?" The terror these men instilled in others was
palpable even decades after the events.

[Miguksaram]

If you're gonna kidnap somebody...

Well if TKD Ninjas were involved...wouldn't that be the sulsado people of the Hwarangdo clan? Perhaps we need to talk the Lee's.

[DerAuslander]

Don't get me started. Had one of their boys come by class last night.

[Miguksaram]

Don't get me started. Had one of their boys come by class last night.

Sweeeet...did they come by with a pamphlet and asking are you ready to meet your savior Lee?

[Earl Weiss]

[QUOTE=miguksaram]

Well, FWIW (since I have started it.) Some are not mentioned by name. QUOTE]

Well did he mention one of his sources being a handsome white guy from Chicagoland area? If so that might be me. :5squeeze:

Till I got to your second sentence, i thought it was me:)

[Earl Weiss]

But General Choi's TKD has nothing to do with North Korean attrocities, Fug! How dare you insinuate that!

I am still in the first part of the book so it has just gotten to the point where General Choi begins contact with NK for TKD, and leaves for Canada as well as the rise of Kim Un-Yong and the connections to Jhoon Rhee, Rev. Moon and the beginnings of the Koreagate scandal.

Up to this point in the book the atrocities and crimes involving TKD and the government were all related to the KCIA of South Korea.

At one point he claims it is clear that the SK captors used TKD on the victims. AFAIAC the same comment applies to SK as NK with regard to beaten victims. How does one really tell if they were struck with a TKD Kick or punch, Karate Kick or Punch, or just something from an open can of the Korean equivelant of Whupass?