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  1. It is Fake is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein Haar
    What's with all the long responses.

    The answer is no.
    There you go. All I'll say is Wounded, you misinterpreted a cops story and applied it to regular citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thSamurai
    Firearms are not equalizers.
    Samuel Colt disagrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannibalCrowley
    Samuel Colt disagrees.
    He was wrong then and he would be wrong now.
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    So in your opinion guns don't allow weaker individuals defend themselves from stronger attackers?
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    Anyone who cannot pluck a speeding bullet from the air with a pair of takeaway chopsticks has no place anywhere near firearms. Fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannibalCrowley
    So in your opinion guns don't allow weaker individuals defend themselves from stronger attackers?
    Are you asking it as if it were a deterrent or an in-fight equalizer? Is a .357 a deterrent? Yes. Is a .357 an equalizer in an armed vs unarmed fight? No.
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    How about this. If you are serious about using a gun for concealed carry self-defense(as opposed to home defense), and you don't have a base of combatives training to allow you to access your weapon or fight intelligently from close-quarters, then you aren't actually acting in a way that supports your goal.

    I hear a lot of cops who say this, that they don't need DT training because they've got a gun, and I think it's kind of silly. The civilian is going to be substantially less able to walk around with a drawn gun than a cop is, so if they can't operate under the statistically likely 0-6 feet range that a violent encounter will tend to happen at, the fact that they have a weapon is less likely to be of use to them.
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    I have to agree with Selfcritical's point. As one of the few civilians I know who has actively trained in firearm retention, I think he can speak to this with a fair amount of perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical
    How about this. If you are serious about using a gun for concealed carry self-defense(as opposed to home defense), and you don't have a base of combatives training to allow you to access your weapon or fight intelligently from close-quarters, then you aren't actually acting in a way that supports your goal.

    I hear a lot of cops who say this, that they don't need DT training because they've got a gun, and I think it's kind of silly. The civilian is going to be substantially less able to walk around with a drawn gun than a cop is, so if they can't operate under the statistically likely 0-6 feet range that a violent encounter will tend to happen at, the fact that they have a weapon is less likely to be of use to them.
    A cop has to semi routinely point a gun at someone he isn't supposed to shoot.

    A civilian does not.
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    That doesn't really say anything to my point. The civilian is still likely to have to deploy their weapon as opposed to having it already deployed, and the encounter range makes it likely their assailant will be able to interfere with their draw. Guns are great weapons, but weapons in close-quarters should always be supported by combatives training.
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