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  1. Epicurus is offline

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    10/25/2008 3:05pm


     Style: Judo. Some BJJ/Kickboxing

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    Learning weapon attack and defense - what can be trusted?

    When someone asks me to recommend a good unarmed martial art for winning fights, it's easy enough to rattle off the big five (Judo, BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling) and add the criteria to evaluate others (aliveness, real sparring, competition, pressure testing, success in open competition, etc.)

    But when it comes to weapons such as knives, sticks or what have you, my concept of what constitutes a good style is much fuzzier. Can we discuss the Bullshido consensus on effective knife and stick styles, either purely defensive or armed combat?

    My perception is that unlike unarmed styles, there is less consistency among schools of the same style. So whereas I could point someone to pretty much any Judo club and expect them to receive good instruction, there seem to be lots of examples of crappy schools even from "good" armed styles, like silat or FMA or Krav Maga. So what's the deal?
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
    A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
    -A.J. Newton, Boxing.
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    aliveness, real sparring, competition, pressure testing, success in open competition
    Dog Brothers?
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    I think many JKD schools would be worth checking out for stick fighting, and you might find that elusive sparring Kali/Escrima school. Of course if the Dog Brothers are an option, go for that.
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     Style: BJJ, Unauthorized Judo

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    I would guess you could just add the same criteria that you listed to a weapons based martial art. If they do those things, then you can recommend them. If not, don't.
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    Posted On:
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    The sticky thing about weapon fighting is what weapons you plan to use. Are you going to be carrying sticks around with you everywhere? Or a knife? Or a sabre? Or a 60" long sword? What about guns?


    Just try out a class to meet the needs you're looking for. I did fencing for a good while (foil ftw), and loved it. It was too expensive so I stopped, but would foil fencing help me on teh streetz? Probably not. Was it good exercise? Yes. Could I most likely skewer someone given the chance? Probably.


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    My personal opinion is that for learning to fight using a knife or stick, FMA are the best things out there. For those who want to defend against a weapon without having to use one themselves, Krav Maga is a good place to start and offers a better base of hand to hand techniques as well. Of course, a good ol' .38 Special or .45 could very well be the best investment in the long run, but sometimes local laws don't allow for that. (Arizona doesn't count there, though! Woo!)
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    Posted On:
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    Well, that's a good question. We should start researching different clubs and instructors for all weapon based styles.
    You'll more than likely find some fencing clubs and schools, the FMA's, and some of the Japanese swordsmanship schools. I would look out for the Japanese style school's though. They seem to have a higher rate of bullshit schools as compared to western styles (The whole Ninja bullshit really destroyed legitamacy of Japanese style schools.).
    I haven't heard anything bad about any fencing classes besides "That clubs leader is an asshole."
    FMA, will have to be a pure FMA school. I think some styles try to act like they have incorporated FMA into their training, when really it's overweight men playing with sticks or rubber knives.
    Dog Brothers is a good bet. Expect ALOT of injuries though.
    There should be some good medieval clubs. Your best bet is to scour different Ren. Fairs and doing some research on the slubs you do find.
    Then, of course, there's always a gun range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBadGuy
    The sticky thing about weapon fighting is what weapons you plan to use. Are you going to be carrying sticks around with you everywhere? Or a knife? Or a sabre? Or a 60" long sword? What about guns?
    Just a thought about stickfighting... You realise that it's applicable to, say, umbrellas and walking canes and whatnot, right?

    Oh, and a lot of times when knives are taught in FMA, it's not only taught as a weapons technique, but also as a way to position yourself, guard and hitting empty handed as well. So even if you do all exercises and sparring with a training knife, pretty much everything is applicable empty handed aswell.

    Just my 0.02 in your local currency
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     Style: Judo. Some BJJ/Kickboxing

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    All right, let me be specific; any weapon class I'd be interested in would be for weapons or weapon analogues which I am likely to encounter. It's plausible enough to get a stick-like object or a knife-like object in a self-defense context, either used against you or available. Let's assume the goal is to use or defend against those.

    I used to do fencing for quite a while (go epee), and while it is an awesome sport, modern fencing won't enable you to use a real rapier very well at all, given that all the swords in use in modern fencing weigh so little and have such grips and rulesets as to make fighting with a rapier (if you happened to somehow have one in a fight...) a tricky proposition at best.

    Now I know I can apply my own criteria about sparring and aliveness, and of course I would. But the question is; which sorts of styles tend to provide this? What is a good benchmark for "alive" sparring or fighting in weapon styles? fighting with safety weapons? what are some common sparring restrictions? Which ones make sense ("no knife attacks to the head in sparring") and which ones are critical impediments? ("You may only attack with a thrusting movement. you must take one full step forward. Your opponent must be allowed to harmonize with your Dan Tien.")

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't dog brothers sort of a tournament format for people who have already somehow learned to fight with weapons and want to try some of their **** out? Doesn't seem like the format for a novice like me.

    How about Krav maga - what are some of the downsides or things to look out for besides obvious ****?


    EDIT: Oh, and P.S: I live in canada, so using a firearm is right out. I don't think I'd ever want to carry a gun anyway, the thought frightens me a little. I suppose gun defenses would be good to know, but honestly in 99% of the scenarios used in gun defenses that I've seen, I would just comply with my attacker. I don't intend on carrying another kind weapon either, but in an extreme situation it is good to know how to use one.
    Last edited by Epicurus; 10/25/2008 4:19pm at .
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
    A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
    -A.J. Newton, Boxing.
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    Posted On:
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