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  1. SCO is offline

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    Saudi Arabia

    Is Saudi Arabia a threat to international security? Should Saudi Arabia be freed?
    The dominant religious faction in Saudi Arabia, Wahabism, is the role model for current Islamic fundamentalism. Moreover, Saudia Arabian money, including money from the government, has bankrolled the spread of Islamic fundamentalism worldwide. Still does. Last not least in Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia is a tyrant state. Internationally accepted human rights are violated.
  2. Dochter is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/17/2003 6:37pm

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    Yes and no.

    The current regime is evil, the likely regime that would arise would equally be so.

    Certainly if your country claims to be a bastion and supporter of freedom they shouldn't support the current regime.
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    Read about the factionalism within the ruling family. I don't have any resources on hand. Let me do some digging and I'll come later.

    The short of it is that one of the king's sons is courting extreme Wahhabis in order to undercut his uncles. Saudi succession is not heriditary. This particular prince wants it to be.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
  4. SCO is offline

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    Saudi Arabia is rich, so a long term commitment to install democracy is financially possible.


    There`s a religious police on the streets. Strong wahabist influence in politics.
    To my knowledge, the regime is paying the religious right to get them off their backs.
    They need foreign intervention to deal with the problem, one may argue.

    (Editing: Uniting two successive posts)
    Last edited by SCO; 12/19/2003 10:21am at .
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    Originally posted by SCO
    Saudi Arabia is rich, so a long term commitment to install democracy is financially possible.
    Not necessarily. True, they live well and have much natural resources, but the bungling of the current rulers have turned it into a debtor state.

    If they have to get real jobs they're going to be in trouble, you can't get most Saudis to work without a gun to their heads.
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    Dunno,
    Budget:
    revenues: $46 billion
    expenditures: $56.5 billion, including capital expenditures of $NA (2003 est.)
    Debt - external: $25.9 billion (2003 est.)

    Oil - proved reserves: 261.7 billion bbl (37257)
    Natural gas - proved reserves: 6.339 trillion cu m (37257)

    Electricity - production: 122.4 billion kWh (2001)
    source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/sa.html

    (They are using enormous amounts of electricity and funds in general very ineffectively and completely superfluuosly by almost anyone's standard, I'd say.)

    "Western banks may refuse deposits from members of the Saudi royal family under guidelines drawn up to identify "politically exposed" wealthy individuals whose assets could in future be confiscated.
    (...)
    The 6,000 Saudi royals form a privileged caste whose collective overseas funds are thought to amount to 400bn. The ailing King Fahd is believed to have personally acquired at least 20bn.

    Critics accuse them of greed and corruption on a grand scale but the royal family maintains that its wealth was legally acquired under the laws of the land."
    source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/stor...756499,00.html
    Doesn't sound too bad to me.

    P.S.:
    note: 35% of the population in the 15-64 age group is non-national
    Last edited by SCO; 12/19/2003 10:43am at .

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