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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    They box and wrestle in the ancient Olympic styles, too:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqfahI5GVZ8
    I was highly disappointed in this video. Where are the hot naked guys covered in oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    A well-balanced steel longsword simulator, for example, is typically a very close reproduction of the original historical weapon. It can only be safely fought full-contact if both fighters are wearing serious, i.e. steel, armor, which usually means that the combat is closer to armed wrestling (because armor works against swords)
    wouldn't that mean you would have to use different weapons that could pierce the armour?

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    Historically the same longsword used in unarmoured combat could & would be used in armoured combat but it would be held with one hand on the hilt & the other on the blade & used both as a short spear or as a lever to grapple with (much like the dog brothers will grapple with their sticks). Such hand placement was called "half swording" it provided better leverage & point control to attack the chinks in armour but the preferred method of finishing an armoured opponent was to throw & pin them before attempting to stab.

    P.S. I just got home from ARMA training. We spent the morning grappling, sparring with blunt practice swords & drilling dagger techniques with plastic "knives". In the afternoon we did test cutting (on pumpkins, among other things) with sharp steel weapons so that we could check that our technique was good; with proper power generation & edge alignment for cutting.
    Last edited by SBG-ape; 11/01/2008 8:32pm at .

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno
    wouldn't that mean you would have to use different weapons that could pierce the armour?
    Yes, sort of. Various polearms were capable of piercing plate armor and some swords could actually thrust through braced plate, but modern pressure tests and archeological evidence show that it wouldn't have been easy against a mobile, resisting opponent.

    As SBGApe described, the more effective and higher-percentage tactic was to half-sword (or even half-staff, half-poleaxe etc.) - basically using the leverage of the weapon to execute locks and throws, immobilizing the opponent so that you could take a moment to line up a killing stab to a weak spot (underarms, groin, etc.)

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    Well, at least the guys of Ars Dimicandi were so sensible to wear leather masks. I wouldn't spar with ancient 'boxing gloves' that's for sure.

    The longsword sparring vid resembled the TSKSR videos to some extent.

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