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    From combat to dueling, how modern martial arts evolved?

    YouTube - Renaissance Martial Arts - the Web Documentary: Part 10of10

    I found this very interesting, loved the history behind it all, and why some styles are the way they are.

    Anyway, discuss.

    EDIT: more or less, does anyone else see the same pattern with unarmed combat?
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    when you stop testing your style by sparring and fighting and start to adjust your techniques until they just look right, you're fucked. and when you start making up new techniques altogether and decide that they'd work because it looks like they would, you end up with something like aikido.

    i also think it would be difficult to recreate good sword fighting to any great degree because you're omitting too many variables with the sparring. i'm sure that if you used real swords and had people pretty much fight to the death, a lot of new things would pop up that you couldn't have anticipated by sparring with padded sticks and so on.

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    haven't got to watch it all yet, but starting at 1:10, those dudes got fucked up.

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    Well, I haven't had a chance to use one yet, but I'd imagine that shock knives are a pretty good substitute for actual knives. I'd imagine you'd have to modify the design to allow for blade-on-blade contact with them, but still, it's probably a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuss
    Well, I haven't had a chance to use one yet, but I'd imagine that shock knives are a pretty good substitute for actual knives. I'd imagine you'd have to modify the design to allow for blade-on-blade contact with them, but still, it's probably a step in the right direction.
    but are you learning the most effective way to cut someone? would it just draw blood or kill them?

    it's like boxing without ever punching hard enough to drop someone. increasing the level of contact changes things quite a bit. in this way, i think that live blades would be similar.

    that's why i don't think that we will be ever be able to develop armed combat (excluding guns, as in modern times there have been plenty of wars to find out how to use them properly) to the level that we have developed unarmed combat.

    unless we bring back the gladiator stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno
    but are you learning the most effective way to cut someone? would it just draw blood or kill them?

    it's like boxing without ever punching hard enough to drop someone. increasing the level of contact changes things quite a bit. in this way, i think that live blades would be similar
    Technology's a wonderful thing. Blades that are pressure-sensitive (more pressure = harder shock) are possible.

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    A shock knife in longsword form would be the most awesome thing ever invented.

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    There is a similar trend visible in Martial arts in general, but fortunately we have the internet now, and anyone can look up just how big a pile of bullshit their Wang too low grand master's last lecture was.

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    It's more like a wave thing. A sport/art starts, is quite rough and harsh, then the bureaucrats step in: ever more rules, emphasis on rank and the organisation becomes a purpose in itself. Then a group breaks off, and forms its new thing, which will face the same fate.

    I don't think that it's a bad thing, it's just a sign of the vigour of the bourgeois values and culture. 'fighting' and 'civilisation' are inherently at odds with eachother.


    PS: damned shame that I can't join one of those groups, they're too far away in my country :'(

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