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    I would love to get any of these guys in a Dharma battle just to see what would happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    I would love to get any of these guys in a Dharma battle just to see what would happen.
    Is that like a rap battle, but with koans?

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    Shi Yan Ming is the head of NYC's Shaolin Temple. He also is close friends with Steve Demasco....take that as you all will.
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    Gbemi, that's actually a good analogy. It's an attempt for two practitioners (more like masters) to share with each other. Several koan are actually the result of the meeting of two masters. If one master is trapped by the other's illusions, he is said to have been "killed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    Gbemi, that's actually a good analogy. It's an attempt for two practitioners (more like masters) to share with each other. Several koan are actually the result of the meeting of two masters. If one master is trapped by the other's illusions, he is said to have been "killed".
    Wow... you've piqued my interest. Any sites where I could read such Koans, (or an intro to koans in general)?

    Much appreciated.

    Sorry for the derail.

    But on a related note, in your earlier post, did I assume correctly that you were implying that apart from their Martial Arts 'lineage' being suspect, the Shaolin monks of modern day are also lax in their study of Buddhist teachings?

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    whats the sound of one hand clapping?

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    I really can't recommend you any books on koan. Without a lineaged master to study them under, it's almost impossible to avoid becoming trapped by your own preconceived notions.

    As far as Shaolin, the few writings I've read of the "monks" have been shaky, as far as my own opinion. My discussion with a student of one of them had him dismissing the koan I tossed at him as "insane poetry" and he seemed caught in a very doctrinal view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    I really can't recommend you any books on koan. Without a lineaged master to study them under, it's almost impossible to avoid becoming trapped by your own preconceived notions.
    nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ke?poFist
    Shi Yan Ming is the head of NYC's Shaolin Temple. He also is close friends with Steve Demasco....take that as you all will.
    not to nitpick, but he's the head of ONE "shaolin temple" in nyc, there is another one in flushing that seems to be the "official" one that is linked to the one in china. as far as i know there is no connection between shi yan ming and the other temple in flushing.

    this should not indicate that i think that one or the other has "teh r34l shaolin"
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