10/26/2008 5:40pm, #21
- Join Date
- May 2005
- East Coast
- ex-TKD 2 Muay Thai
Same in Mass. I carry a pistol legally , and a knife ... to cut stuff ... legally. But collapsable batons are out. Dumb. I'd leave the gun at home if my Attourney General & state reps weren't such douchebags.
10/26/2008 5:46pm, #22Originally Posted by MrBadGuy
Seconded re. the Unbreakable Umbrella. The state security team who protect Filipino VIPs swear by them.
There are plenty of groups nowadays that have adopted the Dog Brothers mentality and training/sparring practices and I'd honestly recommend them over the more commercial and mainstream cane defense courses such as CaneMasters.
10/26/2008 6:05pm, #23Originally Posted by selfcritical
From what I understand, truncheons such as these only constitute non-lethal force when employed properly as such, (ie, such as striking to to the side of the leg). A blow to the head from one would be considered lethal force.
I don't necessarily agree with this sentiment, mind you, but that's my guess as to how it came about. Either that, or it's just a general societal distrust of weapons which can be easily folded up and put in your pocket.
10/26/2008 6:28pm, #24Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw
If you ever do use it to defend yourself legitimately you'll face some weapons charges at the worst and probably never see the inside of a cell assuming you don't have a criminal history or you don't go out of your way to put yourself in a "self defense" scenario.
10/26/2008 6:30pm, #25
Originally Posted by DdlR
- Join Date
- Jun 2005
- Sinsinnatti Oh Hi Ho
- lol yet again more Judo !
I figure by the time my knee(s) implode and become useless I will have a carry everyday and everywhere weapon I can use with relative ease .
I have found great stuff from FMA , CMA , KMA , WMA , Savate , JMA , and others . But I have not found a school anywhere close to me that teaches any of it to a degree I would be comfortable with recommending .
None of the places local or even the "kinda local" places take weapons training to the ground or spar hard enough to really see what is going on and will/could happen .
Good luck and like others have said maybe try and use the empty hand guidelines when looking for weapon work , I think you should be ok .
10/26/2008 6:46pm, #26
- Join Date
- Sep 2006
- Ontario, Canada
- Judo. Some BJJ/Kickboxing
Actually, based on my understanding of the law, it's illegal to even OWN a collapsible baton in Canada, so scratch that. I'm not interested in actually breaking any laws.
Unbreakable umbrella, you say? Is that near-$200 price tag the norm?"[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
-A.J. Newton, Boxing.
10/26/2008 6:55pm, #27
As a concealed weapon carrier I'd like to point out that the more of a pain in the ass your weapon of choice is the less likely you are to keep it on you consistently. You'll form a habit of leaving it behind for little things like a quick run to the store and then you'll start leaving it behind all the time.
I suspect an unbreakable umbrella is going to get about a week worth of carry time at best before it's relegated to unbreakably sitting in the closet unless it actually rains.
10/26/2008 7:09pm, #28
Over here you arent really allowed to carry everything. Things are getting really fucked up.
Just a couple of weeks ago a liqour store owner was attacked by four guys intent on robbing his shop.
He was stabbed twice at the outset and then they took to trying to bludgeon him to death. He grabbed a hockey stick from behind the counter and wacked one of his attackers (the one with the knife as it happens).
The knife man suffered "Bruising and swelling" from the blow. Nothing more.
But what was the outcome?
All of the offenders were arrested, only the one with the knife was charged. But what of our wounded store owner? When he got out of hospital he was charged with assault with a weapon.
Remember he had been stabbed twice and had four guys beating the **** out of him. He took a swing with a stick to defend himself and has now been charged with assault with a weapon.
The police said that using a stick to defend himself was "excessive force" for self defence. They said that what he should have done is called the police.
So he was supposed to somehow call the cops whilst being killed at the same time, then wait three hours for them to actually turn up.
10/26/2008 8:26pm, #29
Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw
- Join Date
- Apr 2008
- USA-formerly NE, currently Midwest
Needless bad press. Needless risk. Just a guess.
10/26/2008 9:21pm, #30
- Join Date
- Jan 2008
- Sanctuary of Pallas Athena (Belgium)
- Savate (LBF/SD/LC) - BJJ
The laws are here also screwed:
any type of knife (pocketknife, butterfly, switchblade) with a blade length between 4 and 5 inches isn't even considerd a weapon and can be carried concealed, but when the blade is 5 inches and longer it's a weapon.
So if I walk around with a butterfly knife with a blade of 4.9 inches I'm not breaking any law.
Personally I prefer the telescope batons, so I bought 2 short ones years ago ( about 4 inches in closed form and 12 inches fully rectrated ).
One is always in my side/backpack when I go to work (in an easy access pouch), the other I carry in my pocket.
Until now I have never had to use them, but I take my changes with these "illegal" weapons than carrying 2 "legal" knifes.
Luckely there aren't much firearms around, only the mob (Tjetchenen, Albaniers,etc..) have got them and for the most of us you don't make contact with those type of people.