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  1. ADM is offline
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    10/20/2008 3:17pm


     Style: Kyokushin Karate / BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere
    Your friend is wrong and he should turn in his BB.
    What he said ^^^

    I've been choked before whilst wearing a T-Shirt, it's fairly awful, it actually feels better with a Gi because the Gi doesn't cut into the side of your neck :\
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    10/20/2008 3:28pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    By the friend's logic, gi dependent throws shouldn't work either.
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    Personally, I'd be too concerned about having a knife pulled on me while my hands are busy around his collar to attempt a frontal gi choke and from the back I'd prefer an RNC. People you fight on the street are unlikely to know how to deal with either.
  4. ADM is offline
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     Style: Kyokushin Karate / BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawarma
    Personally, I'd be too concerned about having a knife pulled on me while my hands are busy around his collar to attempt a frontal gi choke and from the back I'd prefer an RNC. People you fight on the street are unlikely to know how to deal with either.
    Every time I've had a Gi choke done on me, I didn't exactly have the time to think "Wow if I had a knife I'd pull it out now" what I actually did was tap as soon as possible because it felt like I was dying.
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 3:39pm

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    If you're going to introduce knives into your self-defense hypothetical, why not just pull a gun?
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.
  6. ADM is offline
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    10/20/2008 3:44pm


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    Or a grenade, you know, make it realistic.
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    10/20/2008 3:45pm

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    well you wouldn't need a knife becasue 1345.7 of his buddies would be waiting to curb stomp you if you tried to choke their friend.
    There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.
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    10/20/2008 3:48pm


     Style: Judo, BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenBeakFist
    I would think that if the guy you were choking was wearing a jacket with a metal zipper it would be even worse
    Dear god that would suck.... just ow! :icon_conf
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    10/20/2008 3:54pm


     Style: Judo, BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADM
    Every time I've had a Gi choke done on me, I didn't exactly have the time to think "Wow if I had a knife I'd pull it out now" what I actually did was tap as soon as possible because it felt like I was dying.
    Seriously, try this.

    1) Get a training blade, marker, stick, etc. Put the item in your pocket as you would a knife.
    2) Have a TRAINED Judoka/BJJ'er try and choke you out with your shirt. Do not tell them there is a knife in play.
    3) Try and pull the knife.
    4) Profit!

    Based on my personal experience here is how it will go, you are 'A' and grappler buddy is 'B'

    B comes in for a throw...
    A goes for the knife...
    B sinks in the throw....
    A is airborne.....
    A lands....
    A is dealing with the momentary "OH ****" factor that happens when you get thrown, knife momentarily forgotten.
    B --LANDS ON-- A, yes, ON, as in crush your damn ribs, ON!
    A realizes this was a bad idea.
    B sinks in the choke
    A panics, knife forgotten..... *
    A begins to black out
    A taps like a little girl.

    OK

    * A does not panic
    A goes for the knife
    B sinks in the choke nice and deep as A is not defending
    A passes out

    Your not going to be able to get a knife into play against a rained Judoka or BJJ'er. Simply put the shock combined with your body thinking it's going to die makes the knife simply not matter.
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 3:58pm

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    Personally, I'd be too concerned about having a knife pulled on me while my hands are busy around his collar to attempt a frontal gi choke and from the back I'd prefer an RNC. People you fight on the street are unlikely to know how to deal with either.
    Disregarding thugs who'll only produce a blade when you attempt a highly specific grappling maneuver on them, I would think knowing how to perform a collar choke would be great for self-defense. For example, in that video Kimo couldn't do anything effective on the Polar Bear until he locked on the choke. Granted, Kimo probably wasn't that great at BJJ, but it's still an effective weapon to have when you're suddenly thrust under a mountain of ****.
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