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  1. Epicurus is offline

    I'm grindin' 'till I'm tired...

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    10/20/2008 11:25am


     Style: Judo. Some BJJ/Kickboxing

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    Can Gi Chokes work for self-defense?

    A friend of mine is a Judo black belt and insists that Judo chokes involving the Gi are useless in "real life" since no one wears an article of clothing with the right kind of fabric to allow Gi chokes to work. I hear other people say that collar-based chokes will work fine with such items as a leather jacket or even suit jacket, and Bas Rutten advocates one or two chokes which he demonstrates on someone in a Tee shirt.

    I'd test this myself but I have a real lack of willing test dummies. Does anyone know the truth of the matter? Can an incapacitating collar choke be reliably applied to someone in ordinary clothes of any sort?
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
    A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 11:30am


     Style: Judo, BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    There was a thread on this a while back and it was figured out that unless they're wearing a shirt made of tissue paper a gi choke will work fine with a t-shirt/jacket/pink cardigan
  3. sempaiman is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 11:38am


     Style: Mixed-Up Martial Arts

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    ...and if you are attacked by guy wearing his gi or a girl with a bra......
  4. Gezere is offline
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 11:51am

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     Style: Kakutogi

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    Your friend is wrong and he should turn in his BB.
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    -Gene, GODHAND

    You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
    The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 11:53am


     Style: Hillbilly Judo

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    I would think that if the guy you were choking was wearing a jacket with a metal zipper it would be even worse
  6. 1point2 is offline
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 12:10pm

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     Style: 剛 and 柔

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    Relevant thread (please read the whole thing):
    ON NOES!!! I DON'T HAVE A GI ON THE STR33T!!! - No BS Martial Arts

    My experiment-based contribution to the thread:
    No BS Martial Arts - View Single Post - ON NOES!!! I DON'T HAVE A GI ON THE STR33T!!!

    Gi chokes are a misnomer. Anytime someone has some cloth or leather near their neck, and you control their body, it can be party time for restricting bloodflow to their brain. T-shirts, buttondowns, polos, jackets, even a muscle shirt. The flimsier, the more difficult, but it's still VERY possible.

    I recommend replicating my experiment and posting the results. THIS IS SCIENCE! </300>
  7. recourse is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 12:11pm


     Style: BJJ / MT

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I've been choked while wearing a polo shirt. It didn't destory the shirt or anything.
  8. DerAuslander is offline
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 12:15pm

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     Style: BJJ/C-JKD/KAAALIII!!!!!!!

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Rather than find volunteers to choke out, why don't you find volunteers to choke you out?
  9. Holy Moment is online now
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 2:15pm

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     Style: Wrestling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    A gi choke with a t-shirt worked fine here: MMA Collar Choke, Old School - No BS Martial Arts
  10. 1point2 is offline
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    Posted On:
    10/20/2008 2:22pm

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     Style: 剛 and 柔

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    Somewhat awesome. Good link.

    Gi chokes: UFC proven. Grappling approved.
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