i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens!
Posted On:10/19/2008 11:15pm
Style: karate / bjj
i'm going to assume this belongs in this forum. you should assume so as well.
ok, i'm trying to make an effort to improve the wiki, but i'm having trouble getting started because i'm running into some trouble on two main fronts: policy, and differences between bullshido.org and wikipedia (where i know how to work).
first, the second point. wikipedia has a LOT of tools. everything from outside applications to simple things like buttons and tabs that we don't have. i see no way to move .org articles to a new location. i see no way to quick add various types of wiki markup. god help me if i want to rename a category.
i don't know how much of this is wp specific and how much is general mediawiki, but i would presume it's all available in some way. secondarily, i don't know how much of that functionality is there, but not exposed to general users - what's behind thet thar curtain?
now, for the first point: what's the policy on people/forum member articles? do we have a notability guideline? can we have a page for anybody? also, do articles about people have a naming convention? we've got two entries under bs.net purple belts - benjamin bradley and jnp. say i was going to start an article on poster X. actually, we probably have a poster named X so i'll say an article on me. i'm only notable here in so far as i've got a tag. as such, should the article be named after me, paul the person and veritable god among men, or pauli, the poster? if it's the former, what's the convention for linking to forum profiles - just on the person's page, or also when relevant (in this case, the list of bs.net purple belt tag holders)?
side question that i think i've asked before: can the forum be made to spit out a list of users associated with a given tag?
i hope i've made some of my confusing mass of questions and general wikiangst clear.
Posted On:10/22/2008 2:02pm
it occurs to me that perhaps the tools are all there, they're just hidden because some jerk disabled the monobook skin.
Posted On:10/22/2008 3:02pm
Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats Style: MMA (Retired)
There are some technical limitations due to the fact that in order to run the bridge between NET and ORG, we have to use an older version.
I'll look into enabling the Monobook style for registered members.
As far as notability goes, feel free to include anything on anyone related to the site or Martial Arts. We're not going to follow WP's guidelines because they're not always relevant to MA and often counterproductive to what we're trying to accomplish.
Does that answer everything?
Posted On:10/22/2008 3:09pm
a: do we have a standard naming convention (ie, should all articles on people use their real name, or are forum usernames acceptable for people who don't matter off the forum)
b: do we have a standard method for linking from such pages back to the forum, and if so, is there a way to extend it to categories (ie, a link from say asia's wiki page to his forum profile or some such, and then a way to link to both from the bs.net purple belt category page)
c: feasibility of data mining to speed up category creation/fleshing out (so i don't have to go fishing!)
Posted On:10/22/2008 3:38pm
a.) Forum username is fine when real names aren't known. Should be the priority, but no explicit need to go digging up the real name unless relevant to a full-fledged article on the individual on their contributions/participation/role in MA.
b.) Use mine as an example. www.bullshido.org/Neal_Fletcher
c.) data mining in what way?
Posted On:10/22/2008 3:50pm
say i set out to make a complete list of all the (tagged) amateur fighters on the forum. is there a way for someone (presumably a staffer) to trick the forum into spitting out a list of all the accounts that have said tag, or is the only option to add them when i see them in the wild?
(edit: i note that your article doesn't actually link directly to your forum profile, just your training log. hmm.)
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Posted On:10/22/2008 4:09pm
Oh yeah, the forum profiles are in a bit of flux at the moment so we might want to leave those off. Pretty soon they're going to be a lot more Facebook-y.
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Posted On:10/22/2008 4:43pm
Style: Bazhengdao quan, Baji
Pauli, good to see some .org updating. I've worked on it a little, but I'm not to familiar with how to edit too well.
I think its a good first step to establish guidelines. That would actually be a really good .org article to make, if it hasn't been done yet.
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