10/14/2008 3:40pm, #11Whaddaya know, CMA has grappling after all
You must remember the context.
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10/14/2008 3:42pm, #12
Is the book useful? I've heard mixed things--ie, that it's good, but more useful as a historical text.
10/14/2008 3:44pm, #13
10/14/2008 3:50pm, #14Originally Posted by M1K3
I suppose it is splitting hairs to differentiate full-on ground fighting from arts with ground techniques. Maybe you could say ne-waza or equivalent?Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
10/14/2008 3:52pm, #15
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10/14/2008 3:54pm, #16Originally Posted by meataxe
On the other hand, CMA definitely does have grappling in the general sense. Taijiquan and shuai jiao have grappling for starters.
The definitions of "wrestling" and "Grappling" vs BJJ and/Sambo vs various techniques found in CMA.
10/14/2008 3:56pm, #17Originally Posted by meataxe
Actually there are several styles of wrestling that have ground fighting (ne-waza) in them. Catch wrestling comes to mind. And if you think of BJJ one of the main things it brought to the foreground was achieving positional dominance as a primary strategy, which is exactly what most styles of wrestling do.
And yes I am splitting hairs but as a former wrestler...well you know.
10/14/2008 4:54pm, #18
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10/14/2008 5:04pm, #19Originally Posted by ChickenBeakFist
10/15/2008 10:23am, #20
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To the OP,
Of course grappling exists in CMA. Anyone with an ounce of sense would not claim otherwise. What you have to look at is the context that the term "grappling" is being used in. Are you referring to something comparable to BJJ? Then the answer is no. Are you referring to something comparable to Judo? Well, then sort of. Shuai Jiao has many motions in common with Judo but it lacks the ground grappling / submission component.
To be clear Qin Na is grappling. So is Tai Qi, Shuai Jiao, Mongolian Wrestling and Tibetan Wrestling, the main difference being the ruleset. In those wrestling systems as soon as anthing besides your feet touches the ground you are counted as down and defeated. Those systems of grappling almost completely lack sacrifice throwing techniques.
I have seen clips of a wrestling style that is practiced in Yunnan Provice, I believe by the Dai minority peoples, that does not adhere to the rule that one must remain standing while executing a technique. They utilize sacrifice throws and drop techniques similar to Judo. I don't know what they call they're wrestling style but they have a tournament every year in the mountain villages as part of a festival, I think.安氏八极拳学生