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    When I am teaching Ne-waza in JJJ (-yes we have it but not even close to enough practice) I can't help but be influenced by my Judo and BJJ training and the teaching methods. The problem is always rulesets and objectives however my teaching preference is for submissions over holds, and when teaching holds how to transition into submissions, much more along the lines of BJJ position first.

    Many of the BB are cross training (some secretly - some openly) in BJJ and I suspect that we will change our competitions to modified BJJ rules from modified Judo rules. The ne-waza has changed considerably over the past 15 years, and for the better.

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    Wow. I knew I was at a good club, but I'm still surprised. We do Tachi and Ne waza (standing and ground) EVERY class with about equal time devoted to each. And we ALWAYS randori in both. We also will take off the jackets and do a kind of sumo/greco takedown game about once a month.

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    The Dog never takes off his jacket. Not to swim, not to make puppies, and definently not when it is time to roll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100xobm
    The one thing I appreciate more about Bjj is that there seems to be more competitions where I am. I'd get owned, but comps in general are good fun. Back in my old WC days competition was forbidden because our chain punches kind of had that large hadron collider effect (apparently).
    How to win matches as a Judoka at a BJJ tournament:

    1. Practice throws that end in submissions when preparing for BJJ tournament.

    2. At tournament, slam them to the mat before they can butt flop. Pop back up to standing if you don't immediately submit them off the throw. Repeat.
    Shut the hell up and train.

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    Pop back up to standing if you don't immediately submit them off the throw.
    Can't they just stay down and buttscoot at you? Or will the ref stand them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudOWNED
    Can't they just stay down and buttscoot at you?
    That's when you bring out the headstomps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn
    I honestly feel sorry for you. My judo club:

    Mon:
    30 min uchi komi
    1hr specific technique work

    wed:
    20-30min uchi komi
    30min specific technique work
    30min-1hr tachi waza randori

    fri:
    warm up with ne-waza randori (about 1 hr)
    1hr tachi waza randori

    sunday:
    no one shows up so whatever u want
    Thats why I run a small judo group study group out of my bjj gym. So we can actually train judo. but I need to work out where I go so I can get to the point I can turn my study group into a judo club. (I'm getting close to that black belt test)
    "a martial art that has no rules is nothing but violence" - Kenji Tomiki

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    ...Judopwnage strategy...
    I saw this at the last BJJ tourney I went to. Obvious Judo BB was putting on a harai-gosh clinic (fortunately for me, that was the super-heavy division) it was in a basketball gymnasium and the sprung floor under the mat made the impact from the throws sound like a big kaboom.

    Has anyone here heard of "Vital Judo"? Its out of print in English, but I found a copy in Jap. It's a beautiflu tome of tachi-waza. There's also a ne-
    waza book that complements it and was apparently used by the Brazillians as a reference for developing BJJ.

    A friend of mine who has copies of both was offered $800 for the ne-waza book!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    How to win matches as a Judoka at a BJJ tournament:

    1. Practice throws that end in submissions when preparing for BJJ tournament.

    2. At tournament, slam them to the mat before they can butt flop. Pop back up to standing if you don't immediately submit them off the throw. Repeat.
    +
    Uchi-mata, harai goshi versus single legs

    sumi gaeshi/tawara gaeshi versus double legs
    =shutting down 90% of takedowns in low level BJJ tournies

    +
    foot sweeps. Foot sweeps > bent over stiff arming.

    and quick submission attempts as follow ups, taking advantage of the WTF moment inherent to an actual throwing technique occurring in a BJJ tournament. Every time I've uchi-mata'd versus a single, I quickly got a submission.

    I recommend examining videos of Dan and Dave Camarillo.

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    Great point, jnp. I think that Judo's aggressive attacking could definitely work wonders against slow, patient, technical BJJ players. Obviously with the throws, they'd often have no idea what hit them. Even if someone is very skilled in the BJJ submission game, it's tough to do much if they have no idea what is up and what is down.

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