I'll work on my embedding. I am fairly sure it is a pin though as we have trained it at my judo club (and the judo forum thread says so as well).
Originally Posted by CrackFox
as many people have said, it goes down to rules and specific training.
Judo tends to train throws, submissions or pins, but very few dojos or clubs do transition training (throw, follow, pin, submit in a chain and not individual areas), the few dojos that train submission chains or adopt BJJ training methodology (regarding ne waza) do very well in ne-waza (still below BJJ newaza just because that is not their main focus).
The easier way is find somebody in your club who want to do this with you, and start that way, then you can either attend BJJ to add to your judo or convince the club that they need this part of the program and either bring somebody (which is not easy feat with some traditionalist) or develop a plan to tackle this issue (easier, but not as effective)
Originally Posted by Phrost
The Mighty McClaw to Fox when refusing to fight AnnaT.
Originally Posted by Phrost
Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw
Wingchundo's response after I called him a "*****"
Originally Posted by wingchundo
I have a feeling I'm misunderstanding you here, but if you're talking about what was shown in the video, then no it's not a pin. On the judo forum thread they're talking about letting go of the choke and switching to a north-south pin.
Originally Posted by poker
You've obviously never met me in person...
Originally Posted by 3moose1
one thing that hasn't been mentioned about the differences in ne-waza is the plethora of gaurds taught in bjj, as opposed to judo, where (at least in my club) there is open and closed gaurd. that right there limits the amount of angles to attack from, as everything else is just considered a transitory position.
P.S. there is half, side, and full mount too, but i was talking about attacking off your back so didnt count those
the simplest answer---> TRANSITIONS
whether or not bjj has techniques and positions that re unique to BJJ and not found in Judo is debatable, what is not debatable is the overwhelming number of superior transitions and set-ups for submissions and ground control.
- Eddie Bravo invented the triangle choke when he used it to tap out helio gracie at an ac/dc concert.
Well, this guy here has a point. It's the same with Judo's standing game as opposed to BJJ's standing game; transitions.
Originally Posted by M-Tri
I've gone against Judo guys standing and their throwing transitions were absolutely brutal were as their ground transitions weren't anywhere near that level. The same with BJJ players; their ground transitions were awesome but standing up was almost horrible to watch (i.e. me as my Judo sucks compared to my BJJ).
Just fucking kill yourself already
Originally Posted by kramer733
The major difference is the newer competition rules intended to make Judo more spectator friendly.
These severely restrict ne waza and have such made Judo "soft" when it comes to ground game.
Changes in the rules also change the methods of training, as several members have mentioned, alot of clubs do far too little groundwork in Judo.
Last edited by Silvan; 10/13/2008 7:52am at .
On a side note I have 3 judo BB's in my BJJ class now.
The learning curve for Judoka to pick up the newza emphasis is very small.
And they all have fucking insane grips.
I have learned not to let them secure a collar at any cost.
I'm no expert, but I think these rules are not just about making it more spectator friendly, they're also linked to the philosophy of judo. Judo seems to have that one hit one kill aesthetic found in a lot of Japanese arts: you aim to finish the fight straight away with a big throw, if that fails, you go straight in for a pin/sub.
Originally Posted by Silvan
Whether or not that's the best thing to do in a real fight is debatable, but it's the way judo is done. (I think)
BTW. when I say debatable, I mean I won't laugh in someones face for suggesting it might not be the be all and end all. i think the smash smash smash attitude of judo is pretty much the way to go.
Last edited by CrackFox; 10/13/2008 8:58am at .
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