Me doing it wrong is possible and quite probable, although I think I initialy had the positioning correct, with my right leg across his body under the knee of my left all to the left of his body so he couldn't grab it
Thinking about it, I beleive my first issue was that I wasn't squeezing it enough and I should have change my over under.
If memory serves correctly I had my left arm for the over trying to pull his collar across.
The fact he was loose enough to kind of roll into me probaly means I wasn't keeping my body tight enough.
I think if I have my right leg across I should change my over under so that my right arm is over and left is under and hug him to me while squeezing and bridging into him so that way he won't be able to turn into me at all and I am squeezing his chest cavity shut.
Does this sound like it makes sense?
Originally Posted by GIJoe6186
This is exactly what I meant. However, even if you can get the leg behind their thigh if you're not clearly above your ankle you're exposed to injury or sub. The pressure on the knee means you're forcing something your body isn't okay with. This may be because you're doing it wrong, your legs aren't really that long or your opponent is too thick.
Whether you (Goju-Joe) are doing it wrong in general or in this case is hard to tell.
there are some cool footlocks as counters that can be done if the body triangle isn't deep enough, but I don't want to sound like some Catch'rasslin'nut and you're training BJJ anyhow.
It's like getting the standard triangle correct, your wrapping leg has to be as far across their body as possible. If you've only got your ankle in the pit if your knee, you're too shallow. If you're feeling pressure against the back of your other leg, either that leg is out of position or you're not used to the feeling of the pressure at the back of your leg.
The tighter the squeeze, the more likely you have everything correct, think "Heimlich manuver" and you'll be in pretty good position.
Also, if you have a slimmer/willing training partner, it really helps to practice with a narrower torso.
Just some thoughts on the matter, I have a decent body triangle when I can get it.
I was going through this last night as I watched my combination of Iron Chef then TUF
(so I am in my living room rolling on the floor by myself and wife comes in looks and tells me I look retarded)
I think the big mistake is if the body triangle is loose enough that the person can start to turn over to any degree that motion forces the crossing leg out of place from locked behind my to down the calf and then losses the position of effectiveness.
Again I am sure know my issue was one of not squeezing and getting a good over under.
Next time I try it I am going to squeeze, and thrust my hips in while squeezing with an over under that the over is on the same side as the leg grossing the body, and hopefully the lower back pressure distracts them enough to slide the arms in for the choke.
I think you're onto it there. Plus I like jitz-kata on the living room floor while watchin' Iron Chef. I know what that's all about. Perhaps we're both lucky we have wives at all ;)
I'm 6'3, so while I can use body triangles (and the purple belt made a great point about using it more for MMA) I prefer hooks
1-I'm going to get points for it in competition
2-I'm going to get points for it in competition
3-I'm already there after I break someone down.
4-If someone turns while I have body triangle I have this nasty habit of ending up in guard, whereas if I have hooks I tend to just have the back again, where I can break them down again
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I didn't think of the competition thing at all
For competition, I'll generally go for hooks first, wait until I get my points, and then if it seems preferable, I'll transition to the body triangle.
In gi based competition is there any real advantage to body triangle over hooks?
You make it harder to breath and cause them to gas quicker.
Also, did you know that Eddie Bravo calls the body triangle 'the anaconda'? And that it's banned in high school wrestling? And that you can break people's ribs with it? And that you can tap someone with the body triangle alone?