About BJJ (Not Trolling)

**Punisher** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 7:29pm

And the circle of life goes round and round. A great example was the Nog vs Cro-Cop fight. Nog ended up winning but took one hell of a beating to do it.

**The Wastrel** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 7:37pm

Exactly. Attrition didn't make it that time. But it can be done.

Think of grappling like maneuver warfare, and striking like punishment or attrition warfare.

**ewdfs** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 8:37pm

I got the impression on the Nogueira vs Cro Cop fight, that Nogueira had a great opportunity and knew how to use it to subdue Mirko, dont know if I am right, but if I am, nogueira would end that fight in really bad conditions had this opportunity didnt appear.

**udo** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 10:15pm

Given a little more time in the first round and Cro-Cop probably could have finished Nog after the high roundhouse he landed.

**Hannibal** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 11:11pm

I think it all comes back to the correct idea that there is no one superior style. Learning more than one martial art is the answer. If you have the time. People put **** on BJJ and grappling/groundfighting. But you look at the first season of UFC. The BJJ guys where all over the standup fighters. Bottom line BJJ works. Get it if you can. If you can't judo or wrestling is just as good.

**ewdfs** · Posted On: 12/15/2003 5:19am

Yeah, actually, I can get BJJ every corner here, but its just that I like stand up fighting more, I know that is bad, and the best thing would be to train some ground too, but I dont know, I dont like it much.

**grandloupmechant** · Posted On: 12/15/2003 6:02am

I've got a question : During a shoot, the guy has to go down so that he can catch the legs, at this time he's level with the knees, and the elbows of the defendant are up ready to crush the neck. How do a shooter take these odds ? What is the most dangerous when shooting ?

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 12/15/2003 8:03am

Grandloup,

The odds are still with the shooter. Though knees and elbows can be landed on someone shooting in, it is very difficult to do so. Kneeing someone shooting in is low percentage at best. And once they have you, even a few elbows or other strikes aren't going to do much because they are going to have you off balance (and on the way down) so your srtikes will lack power (if you can get any off at all!). What would work better is to first sprawl to stop the shoot, and then throw a knee or elbow. But if you don't know how to sprawl or stop a shoot, odds are your finished.

Regards,
Matt

**Ronin** · Posted On: 12/15/2003 8:11am

When I first started training Karate ( hybrid kyokushin/goju), the instructor also taught Judo, he said, make sure you take the judo classes also, I asked why, he said, because it will teach you how to drop someone on their head or how to put them to sleep, some people can take punches and kicks, NO ONE cantake being dropped on their head, or being choked.

Made since to me then, makes since to me now.

Many styles are complete, they teach grappling and striking, but most of them favour one or they other, if you want to take a particular skill to the next level, it si sbest to find a style the specialises in it.
No style can specialise in EVERYTING, certainly NOT the sport oriented ones, even the traditonal systems always favored something.