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    About BJJ (Not Trolling)

    I must say, BJJ really surprised everyone when the gracies were kicking ass and stuff, thats ok, but please could anyone tell me, what does BJJ lack? I mean, what makes a guy who trains only BJJ suffer the most on the street and on the ring

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    In general BJJ is lacking in stand-up and takedown skills. Even the world's best grapplers have realized that you need to be able to survive on your feet long enough to get into your comfort zone. The current emphasis is being a compete fighter, combining aspects of MT, BJJ, and amateur wrestling.

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    BJJ's takedown skills are more than adequate for facing non-grapplers. But they suffer in relation to all varieties of Western wrestling, as well as Judo.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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    there isn't really a lot wrong with it, it is only if you use your system under someone else's rules that you will see it's weaknesses, as pretty much every combatitive art expands to fit it's ruleset.
    For example, i saw a judo guy beat a bjj guy at judo even though the bjj guy had 30-50 lbs on the judoka , he got ipponed probably because even though he was training judo a bit, he was more focussed on his ground game

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    So in a kickboxer with no grappling experience facing a BJJ guy with no kickboxing skills scenario, the first would be "more screwed" than the last?
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    Probably. The grappler succeeds because he can attack the foundation of your power and movement. Kickboxing, and in your case Kyokushin, is good at cumulative damage, and the war of attrition that is common to striking sports. The only way that it can target the ability to deliver is by knocking someone the **** out.

    When a grappler has your legs. Game's over. There is no equivalent strategy for strikers.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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    Yeah, thats what I thought, that is why I mentioned balance on the other thread, but yeah, there is no balance if the guy has already got your legs.

    Damn that sucks

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    Alot of arts that concentrate on balance and stability do so in a manner that is entirely irrelevant to a grappler's attack. Frequently, they are so rooted that they can't move fast enough to fight.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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    all is not lost for kickboxers though: if you can adapt your style to one that will make you less takedown-able and more importantly learn to be a good enough grappler to survive and either not be taken down and get back up, then you can be super effective......... the problem is you have to be pretty good at grappling to do it......... Learning to defend against the shoot really really well by practising with people who really know how to do it would be a good start to even your odds out

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    Sprawl and brawl baby!
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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