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    Creatine monohydrate will cause you to retain water.

    Creatine ethyl-ester (or any other type), will generally not unless it is consumed at more than 7 grams a day or so. A loading stage isn't really necessary. (from what I've heard)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    Creatine monohydrate will cause you to retain water.

    Creatine ethyl-ester (or any other type), will generally not unless it is consumed at more than 7 grams a day or so. A loading stage isn't really necessary. (from what I've heard)
    Have you ever tried CEE? It really doesn't work any better. In my experience. Micronized creatine monohydrate is all you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dave
    Have you ever tried CEE? It really doesn't work any better. In my experience. Micronized creatine monohydrate is all you need.
    In pretty much every experts opinion that ISN'T working for one of the supplement companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003volusia
    In pretty much every experts opinion that ISN'T working for one of the supplement companies.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    Creatine monohydrate will cause you to retain water.

    Creatine ethyl-ester (or any other type), will generally not unless it is consumed at more than 7 grams a day or so.
    Nope. If it increases the concentration of phosphocreatine in your cells (which is the whole point of taking creatine products), it'll increase the volume of sarcoplasm in your muscle cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dave
    muscle cell hydration - the extent of fluid inside the muscle cell.

    The more fluid inside the muscle cell, the larger the muscle cell will be. Muscle tissue is approximately 70% water. Increasing fluid volume just a few percent can have a big impact on muscle size, tone, strength and theoretically protein and amino acid turnover. This leads to short and long term muscle growth.
    The weight gain is all intracellular water. This results in an increase in cytoplasmic volume, and mechanical leverage. I am most intrested in the effect this would have on gene expression and protein production. The cell will attempt to maintain a constant concentration of transcription factors (for gene expression) and total protein levels. The extra water (and volume) would tend to encourage increased production of gene products (to maintain the desired concentration) If this is the case, your muscle cells would become structurally bigger over time, and not just swollen with water. That would tend to make you stronger, and not just in an ATP-energizer bunny kinda way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dave
    What?
    pretty much all the experts in supplements will tell you that creatine monohydrate is the most effective of any type. With the exception of the ones that have been hired to SELL the other types!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleSoft
    I am most intrested in the effect this would have on gene expression and protein production.
    Not sure if anything like this has been demonstrated. Have you seen anything to indicate this?

    My back-of-the-envelope reasoning leads me not to expect increased rates of myofibril synthesis unless the number of ribosomes in a particular cell increases as the sarcoplasmic volume increases. Without knowing the limiting factors in the synthesis rate, though, I can't say for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H TO THE IZZO
    My back-of-the-envelope reasoning leads me not to expect increased rates of myofibril synthesis unless the number of ribosomes in a particular cell increases as the sarcoplasmic volume increases. Without knowing the limiting factors in the synthesis rate, though, I can't say for sure.
    You think you can just come in here and trick us into thinking you know what yer talkin about by arbitrarily throwing around your big fancy university words?

    Someone go get a dictionary, so we can prove this fool is just talking nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003volusia
    pretty much all the experts in supplements will tell you that creatine monohydrate is the most effective of any type. With the exception of the ones that have been hired to SELL the other types!
    Okay so your saying what i'm saying. Tracking.

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