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    There's a difference between rows and upright rows 9Chambers.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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    Genetics aside, Most shoulder development comes from using heavy weights and the only exercise you can do, that involve your shoulders and heavy weights, are over head press and their many varities.
    Problem is the stress that over head press put on your lover back and as you get older, yourback begins to tell you "uh, no !!! "
    The exsessive volume of most weight lifting regimes pretty much reeks havoc on the rotator cuffs and the lower back.

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    Originally posted by FingerorMoon?
    Upright row.
    Shoulder press or lat pull down behind the neck.
    (those 3 are the worse)
    Side raise.
    Front raise.
    Bench press with a wide grip.
    What are good shoulder exercises to use instead?

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    Shoulder press.

    '7 minute rotator cuff solution' is worth buying. It has variations of exercises to make them safer.

    Unless your into bodybuilding, think total upper body strength rather than how you can make those stubborn rhombalatzoids bigger.

    Bench press, shoulder press, bent over row, chin up/pull up/latpulldown (narrow, wide, palms facing in), shrugs, dips, deadlifts, squats, etc.

    If you build up to heavy weights on the compound exercises, no one is gonna' be going 'yeah but imagine if he added upright rows!'
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