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  1. fes_fsa is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    if you only have a limited amount of time, i say focus on positional dominance.

    basically, get them on top and get them to run away.

    if it clicks right away, teach them a few basic subs from guard--armbar, triangle, omoplata, kimura.

    if it doesn't click, don't worry so much about the subs. it would be like:

    "i'm getting raped... but i know subs. hmmm... what can i do from this position? i know! i'll kimura him while he's forcefully pounding away at my vag."
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    i wouldn't teach them subs if they're not training a lot.
    Last edited by danno; 9/24/2008 10:05am at .
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     Style: Judo, Sub wrestling

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    Do NOT forget to demonstrate a technical standup from the guard (escaping from bottom) and have them drill it. It is easier to do than sweeps and just as important for women's SD.
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    Just adding my 2 cents. Consider spending less time on sweeps from the guard and more time on getting the feet on the hips to create space, kick hard to the face and then stand up out of guard.
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    To hell with this. Just buy Tim Cartmell's 2nd self-defense tape (Ground Proofing) and do that.

    Technical standup is a great idea, actually.
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     Style: Chinese Kenpo

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    How long is the class? The time available really dictates what you can teach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell
    mantis i dont agree with you and yet i do.
    allow me to explain: its totally up to the type of people you're training and how much time you have to train them.

    im thinking uni stuff here: girls who feel unsafe and who'll attend once maybe twice a week for over a period of 3 months max.
    you can use the 100% of that time drilling groundwork but then you neglect vital stuff such as groinshots etc and then get the hell out.
    We posted at the same time. I'll say I agreed with you immediately, that "escape from the mount" would be a much better use of time than training to get from the mount into the guard. When it comes down to it, working the guard would mean working submissions, by by own statements and uphill battle for the small woman / large man situation.
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     Style: Gym drifter

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    Stupid question: Isnt' the guard counter productive in a rape situation for women?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siniq
    Stupid question: Isnt' the guard counter productive in a rape situation for women?
    This is a position they will most likely find themselves in in that situation so learning how to escape it effectively and get back to your feet would be pretty important.

    Again, a simple drill would be to work to get your feet to the hips to control their weight, create a little space, kick hard to the face and then work the technical standup from guard. Drill this with partners wearing gloves (MMA or small boxing gloves) and their job is to lightly strike and/or try to keep you down.
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     Style: Gym drifter

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    Yeah it's important, but what about sprawling and takedown defence?
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