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    Heh, isn't that something... I've had Grease The Groove For Strength (I like the alternate title better: "Chain Yourself to the Squat Rack and Call Me in a Year.") open in a tab for a while now. Been alternating between it and looking around my cubicle for space to put a squat rack. What do you think of it?
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    I've used it before to build up a decent amount of pull-ups. It's a sound principle from what I can gather.
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    My pull-up ladder would not be a very tall one, sadly... I guess that's why one trains, though.

    In terms of the "bang out a heavy triple every half hour" (loosely) strategy from the original "greasing the groove" article, the one thing I'm having trouble articulating is the recovery strategy. Obviously a triple shouldn't run down the glycogen too much, and they're not to failure, but I'm wondering whether microtearing, etc. would enter into the equation at some point?

    Edit: Also, note to self: Peruse Rennie et al.'s "Control of the Size of the Human Muscle Mass" at some point.
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    It seems to work for the bulgarians. Something to keep in mind is that Pavel is big on the old timey strongman style training, which was all about not even coming close to failure. You'd leave about 2-3 reps "in the tank", and typicaly finish a workout stronger than when you left, much like how Arthur Saxon trained. So I imagine that though the triple would be heavy, it wouldn't be close to your max triple.
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    Yeah, I think he says 80-85 percent... high enough to trigger the adaptations, not high enough to be impaired an hour later.

    Now I need to get a job somewhere that they'll let me take regular squat/bench breaks.
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    Sad state of affairs that if you were a smoker, they'd facilitate you getting breaks, but as a lifter? A big **** you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    So bodyweight to strength ratio is NOT what matters?
    It matters in the context of the discussion when it was mentioned, but there was no implication that maximising that attribute was anybody's goal.

    I'm sorry if this is too complex for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    It matters in the context of the discussion when it was mentioned, but there was no implication that maximising that attribute was anybody's goal.

    I'm sorry if this is too complex for you.
    Then why did you bother to say it was what matters, when it is not what matters?

    I'm sorry if I expect you to mean what you say and say what you mean.

    Now if we're done being condescending to each other.
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    While we're at this impass, let me catch up.

    You are saying that training to maximize bodyweight to strength ratio is no longer what matters.

    You are also saying that it is beneficial for him to train in the sacroplasmic hypetrophic range while in a caloric deficit rather than training in a different range during a caloric deficit?

    What are we helping him acheive specifically, because we seem to be using the "no goal has been stated" clause to allow all sorts of insanity to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    Then why did you bother to say it was what matters, when it is not what matters?

    I'm sorry if I expect you to mean what you say and say what you mean.

    Now if we're done being condescending to each other.
    Well, it's not like I started with that.

    Here, let me explain it again:-

    Quote Originally Posted by Me
    He'll be able to see progress even if he decides to shed a substantial amount of weight because it's strength-to-bodyweight ratio that matters here rather than his absolute strength level.
    Now, you've misunderstood that sentence to mean the following, because you homed in a a single phrase whilst ignoring context :-

    Quote Originally Posted by How Emevas Parsed it
    The goal of this programme is to optimise strength-to-bodyweight ratio
    Now, in the prior context of the thread, this is what it actually meant :-

    Quote Originally Posted by What it actually means
    He's looking for a challenge but mentions wanting to run distance races. If he does this routine whilst shedding weight (even if it's muscle mass) he'll still be able to see progress through the reps because the resistance for the exercise is determined by his bodyweight
    Do you understand now?
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