Thread: Abused Amateurs
9/16/2008 1:07pm, #11
The only thing I really wish was different is the amateur/pro distinction itself. It's a shitty system that has no basis on anything but who's getting paid which is no indication whatsoever of experience or how to match opponents. Because of this you have "amateur" fighters with 100+ fights and "professionals" who've fought once. You also have people like me and Kat with a dozen fights that don't want to go pro yet because we don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot for finding opponents in the states.
I really don't care about the money, at all, and most of the promoters I've fought for have been pretty cool about covering our expenses when we travel to fight. The only thing that really bugs me is having the opponents I can potentially fight be divided by "pro" or "amateur" status and that we can potentially be screwed over by unintentionally taking a pro fight without knowing about it (this happened to Kat a couple years ago).
In other countries, rather than the pro and amateur divisions, they have different experience classes (N class for novices, then C, B, and A class fighters). If they instituted something like that and simply left it up to the promoters who gets paid for what that would be much better.
9/16/2008 1:14pm, #12Originally Posted by KidSpatula
i wonder why this sort of system isn't in place here in the US."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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9/16/2008 1:28pm, #13
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Because Shooto's got a centralized decision-making body that enables it to create such classes, whereas the only thing that everyone agrees on in the states is soccer kicks and stomps are bad.
Right now, it's in none of the promoters' best interests to create a centralized governing body for the sport because then other reforms like upping fighter pay, guaranteeing health coverage, and other protections could be adopted really, really fast. The way things are, it will take years for any major reform to work its way across the country. Look at the most recent Unified rules revision; the only state that's using it right now is NJ.
9/16/2008 2:09pm, #14
Also fight count, win - lose ratios should matter more.
9/16/2008 2:50pm, #15
Originally Posted by gandp1120
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Maybe when you are getting paid big dollars you should try to fight while injured; but for an ammy fighter that needs to keep their day job it just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Edited for partial sentences.
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9/16/2008 2:53pm, #16
Well right now it seems that the state athletic commissions are the ones that make the rules what they are and they decide on the legality of professional and amateur fighting. That was the deal with Kat's fight that ended up almost screwing over her amateur status. The promoter told her she was going to be doing an amateur fight, but as it turned out, amateur MMA is illegal in Massachusetts, so it was officially a professional fight. This wouldn't be a problem if amateur MMA AND kickboxing was illegal everywhere, but obviously it isn't so the IKF/ISCF was no longer going to allow Kat to fight as an amateur because she'd had a "professional" fight (even though she wasn't officially paid to fight).
I think it has a lot to do with silly state legislature and the words "amateur" and "professional". If you get paid you're technically a professional, and to the unthinking layman, it sounds dangerous for a "pro" to be fighting an "amateur".
9/16/2008 2:56pm, #17Originally Posted by Vector
9/16/2008 8:48pm, #18Originally Posted by Omega
9/16/2008 10:30pm, #19
in my experience, most promoters are willing to cover at least some portion of travel and lodging expenses.
9/16/2008 10:42pm, #20