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  1. gandp1120 is offline

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    Abused Amateurs

    I know that everyone has to make a dollar somewhere along the line, but I feel Amateur fighters are being taken advantage of. Guys are stepping into the ring/cage and beating the hell out of each other, and for what? The spirit of competition? If that was the case there would not have to be sanctioning for Ams. Instead the fights would be outside and free. One more thing and I'm done. If your an amateur and you agree to fight you should have to sign a paper saying that if you back out you owe the promotor $250. As a fighter you should honor your word PERIOD.


    What does everyone else think?
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    hey man - ammy fighters know exactly what they are getting into. On top of that - you usually have to PAY to fight! Ammies fight for love of sport - not necessarily to make a buck. If making a buck is what they seek then they know full well that ammy shows are the rungs on the ladder they have to climb on their way to professional mma cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gandp1120
    What does everyone else think?
    I think the first part of your post complains what a raw deal amateur fighters get and the second part proposes making it far worse.
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    I think it's too bad fighter don't get at least a cent(or a decent couple of cents) for a sport with such a huge fanbase.

    it's like they're gladiators all over again. The only thing they do win, however, is the respect and honor as pioneers of the sport.

    I say MMA is saving our generation, now we can be up to par with the 50's. Remember the great depression and when boxing was king? MMA is...uuhh.....Superking.

    those who look back at this years beyond ours: think about our amateur fighters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnerpig
    hey man - ammy fighters know exactly what they are getting into. On top of that - you usually have to PAY to fight! Ammies fight for love of sport - not necessarily to make a buck. If making a buck is what they seek then they know full well that ammy shows are the rungs on the ladder they have to climb on their way to professional mma cards.
    That's bullshit. I fought both amateur and pro. Only recently have I heard this crap about promoters not helping the amateur fighters out. I take my guys to amateur shows in Vegas. Their meals are comped and their hotel rooms are paid for. They're given tickets to give to their friends and they provide sponsored gifts.

    I took my guys to a smoker and they were comped a hotel room. I got wind of a show across country that was "desperate" for a fighter at 205. I called the promoter and he wasn't even willing to partially pay for a plane ticket. It's not like his show is going to help my fighter except for give him experience.

    As a part time promoter I've had amateur fighters ask for very interesting things like dozens of comped tickets and money. I had a guy travel 200 miles for one of my shows. We comped him hotel and paid him $200 for his troubles. Meals, gas etc that doesn't add up to much but it's the least we could do. For some promoters that's 1 vip ticket.

    Promoters don't make a huge amount of money but in my opinion there are some shady ones out there.
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    OP is off-base. Sorry, but if a fighter feels "taken advantage of" then they should just commit to fighting professionally. Otherwise, pay your dues in the amateur ranks just like everyone else.

    Omega is also spot-on! Most reputable promoters will try and take care of the participants on their fight cards. Hotel rooms and/or travel expenses. For instance, I run a really small event series, but I try to do as much as I can budget to make the participants comfortable and happy. Teams that travel get a comped hotel room at a nice hotel. We give our fighters "gift bags" with their bottled water, gauze, tape, energy bars, etc.... I make sure we have staff members stationed by the locker rooms to address their needs. Sure, it's not much, but we try to put the fighters first.
  7. Coach Josh is online now
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    Ammys do get the shaft in a lot of promotions around the south. Many small time ass hats try to run shows and screw over people. While I have had my run in with several of them I can tell you that the ones who do it right are worth the effort. The best is when Tapout wannabes want you to wear their gear and charge the ammys for it.

    All in all ammys are just that ammys and they need to get some experience before they move up to pro. While the number of fights that they do at ammy is dependent on their skill level, I believe as a coach that its essential for their development as a fighter.
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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    This thread title would double as a great porno film title.
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    I have been helping a fighter in the amateurs and we don't even get proper insurance incase of an injury in the ring. Everytime we have went it has been a two hour drive and no mention of meals motels or nothing. We drive up the day of the event and we sit and wait to fight for free. Yet they charge 250 for a table on the floor or 30 for a chair at ringside or 15 to 20 for a general admission ticket.. The fights are sanctioned through the ISCF so someone has to be making a little or they wouldn't do it at all. I mean if your getting the fighters for free then you should atleast offer a reasonable insurance for the evening for 20 or 30 dollars that the fighters can pay for or not leave that choice up to them.I know some events keep insurance but in our neck of the woods the ones that do aren't sanctioned. I don't think that amateures should get paid the payment is what makes them professionals, but if they care about the fighters safety then insurance should be mandatory not up to the promoter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmantid
    I have been helping a fighter in the amateurs and we don't even get proper insurance incase of an injury in the ring. Everytime we have went it has been a two hour drive and no mention of meals motels or nothing. We drive up the day of the event and we sit and wait to fight for free. Yet they charge 250 for a table on the floor or 30 for a chair at ringside or 15 to 20 for a general admission ticket.. The fights are sanctioned through the ISCF so someone has to be making a little or they wouldn't do it at all. I mean if your getting the fighters for free then you should atleast offer a reasonable insurance for the evening for 20 or 30 dollars that the fighters can pay for or not leave that choice up to them.I know some events keep insurance but in our neck of the woods the ones that do aren't sanctioned. I don't think that amateures should get paid the payment is what makes them professionals, but if they care about the fighters safety then insurance should be mandatory not up to the promoter.
    Understand when I said that I paid the guy $200 it was so I didn't have to get him meal vouchers, gas vouchers and do the hotel room for him. It's not that I actually paid the guy although he might look at it that way.
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