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  1. iopyud is online now

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     Style: MT/Ex-Judo NO SPRAWL?!

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    Read Hand Punch with lifted leg?

    Alright guys, I've done Muay Thai AND Shotokan krotty (waaaay back) and recently saw a video and made me realize something.

    When punching with a cross or reverse punch, how is it that some people tell me that the back leg must be planted on the ground as my fist makes contact with the target-

    -but punches like the superman punch and yori ashi gyaku tsuki have their legs elevated for the former and "dragged" for the latter.

    I tried shadow boxing and it appears that yori ashe gyaku tsuki is still remembered by my body. Is it worth using this? I'm like 5'4" I'm gonna take all techniques that let me close in while hitting but not if it doesn't do much damage.

    I asked here because my budget doesn't allow me to be in a gym at the moment and currently just practicing minimally with a bunch of buddies as to not let the rust set in. Been lifting tho.

    Here's what I'm talking about for your convenience :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfFg82XZr8

    From a different angle :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OSTBGeuvpw

    Here it is knocking people out in "point sparring" it's not as stiff in the demo but the back leg is still raised when punching (Like the 2nd KO and again at 0:50 mark):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53gO_2sBfc4
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    I just wrestle now, so take this with a grain of salt, but the way I learned it was:

    When you plant your feet, you get power by rotating.

    When you superman, you get power by throwing your body forward. Kicking backwards is more of a counterweight to keep balance.

    Some superman punches:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHI4jhoHQh8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl2pa6bCG98
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb6HndVbBm4

    Notice how they all commit to their strikes and throw their entire body forward. It's not a "I can parry if I miss" punch, it's a "blow your head off" punch. I like to call it the educated haymaker.

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    Yeah, I'm familiar with the superman punch, I don't really use it but...

    So it generates power because your entire body is moving forward.

    If the foot is planted to generate a hip twist then should it be fine if it's elevated as long as the hip twisted? Plus points if you're moving forward.

    Is that what's happening in reverse punch?

    I mean I can do it. I just don't have anything to hit right now and have no idea how it actually works. It's been more than 10 years since krotty. If anything, mine looks like a cross where I step with my lead foot forward, and let the back leg follow.

    Kinda like the jab-cross where you step with the lead foot while jabbing and then step with the back leg as you cross except without the jab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iopyud View Post
    Yeah, I'm familiar with the superman punch, I don't really use it but...

    So it generates power because your entire body is moving forward.

    If the foot is planted to generate a hip twist then should it be fine if it's elevated as long as the hip twisted? Plus points if you're moving forward.
    The second foot is for balance. I don't see why you're so focused on punching with only one foot on the ground. We work much better with two.

    Is that what's happening in reverse punch?

    I mean I can do it. I just don't have anything to hit right now and have no idea how it actually works. It's been more than 10 years since krotty. If anything, mine looks like a cross where I step with my lead foot forward, and let the back leg follow.

    Kinda like the jab-cross where you step with the lead foot while jabbing and then step with the back leg as you cross except without the jab.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIBBBQVIMw
    Watch that.

    As for the Shotokan reverse punch, there's a reason you don't see it much in mma and other alive styles. It gets style points (which is important under point-sparring rules) but that's about it. Once you get to actual beat-the-crap-outta-each-other rules, you'll be hard pressed to find someone throwing single reverse punches and rechambering his hands back to his ribs.

    Look at what happens when other Karate styles move towards alive competition.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcplemxE_U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5oJsdymrb0

    Less bouncing, no full chambering... it starts to look a lot like kickboxing with a gi on.
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    "I just wrestle now."
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    *Deniro face* I like you guy.
    Careful now, my last style was jailbait.
    Last edited by Cuddles; 9/21/2014 12:54pm at .
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    Man, we're like the only two people in this forum. Thanks for humoring me, lol.

    It caught my attention because I thought I'd be able to move forward while throwing a cross.
    Currently I'm only able to move forward while jabbing. I can step forward while throwing a cross or overhand but not actually "move" forward.

    Here, can you see the rear leg on his jab/cross? It doesn't seem planted very well, but then again, I could be imagining it :

    I think his name is Leon Walters or something...

    http://youtu.be/qImXBLkK4_A?t=1m8s

    As for Kyokushinkai, I'm not a fan of the art so, *shrugs*

    I'll probably look more into it, but atm, I'm skeptical tbh.

    Oh here's a Shotokan guy that ISN'T Machida for your entertainment :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKSXGWpQpk

    EDIT :

    Actually, that Shotokan guy threw a reverse punch and then stepped forward with his rear leg around 3:50 or 4:11, idk.

    Add that to the list of "weird **** karatekas do".
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopyud View Post
    Man, we're like the only two people in this forum. Thanks for humoring me, lol.

    It caught my attention because I thought I'd be able to move forward while throwing a cross.
    Currently I'm only able to move forward while jabbing. I can step forward while throwing a cross or overhand but not actually "move" forward.

    Here, can you see the rear leg on his jab/cross? It doesn't seem planted very well, but then again, I could be imagining it :

    I think his name is Leon Walters or something...

    http://youtu.be/qImXBLkK4_A?t=1m8s

    As for Kyokushinkai, I'm not a fan of the art so, *shrugs*

    I'll probably look more into it, but atm, I'm skeptical tbh.

    Oh here's a Shotokan guy that ISN'T Machida for your entertainment :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKSXGWpQpk

    EDIT :

    Actually, that Shotokan guy threw a reverse punch and then stepped forward with his rear leg around 3:50 or 4:11, idk.

    Add that to the list of "weird **** karatekas do".
    I am pretty curious, considering you are a Shotokan and Muay Thai guy, why you wouldn't like Kyokushinkai. (seriously, I am not trying to be "that is dumb, your opinion sucks" I just want to know why you dislike it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopyud View Post
    Man, we're like the only two people in this forum. Thanks for humoring me, lol.

    It caught my attention because I thought I'd be able to move forward while throwing a cross.
    Currently I'm only able to move forward while jabbing. I can step forward while throwing a cross or overhand but not actually "move" forward.

    Here, can you see the rear leg on his jab/cross? It doesn't seem planted very well, but then again, I could be imagining it :

    I think his name is Leon Walters or something...

    http://youtu.be/qImXBLkK4_A?t=1m8s

    As for Kyokushinkai, I'm not a fan of the art so, *shrugs*

    I'll probably look more into it, but atm, I'm skeptical tbh.

    Oh here's a Shotokan guy that ISN'T Machida for your entertainment :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKSXGWpQpk

    EDIT :

    Actually, that Shotokan guy threw a reverse punch and then stepped forward with his rear leg around 3:50 or 4:11, idk.

    Add that to the list of "weird **** karatekas do".
    I am pretty curious, considering you are a Shotokan and Muay Thai guy, why you wouldn't like Kyokushinkai. (seriously, I am not trying to be "that is dumb, your opinion sucks" I just want to know why you dislike it.)
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    Picking up your rear foot when you punch most likely means that you're overcommitting. Its pretty common if you hang out where heavy bags are sold and watch beginners try to throw all their weight into it (follwed by subtly rubbing their hurt wrist while acting like they didn't get hurt). When one of those punches misses an opponent, the opponent will capitalize on your mistake.
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    It caught my attention because I thought I'd be able to move forward while throwing a cross.
    Currently I'm only able to move forward while jabbing. I can step forward while throwing a cross or overhand but not actually "move" forward.
    We generally lead with a jab to keep from over committing, to test distance, to set up combos.

    Leading with a left is rare and depends on the situation. If Omega, strikistanian, or some other more experienced guy came over, I'm sure they could tell you all about it.
    Here, can you see the rear leg on his jab/cross? It doesn't seem planted very well, but then again, I could be imagining it :

    I think his name is Leon Walters or something...

    http://youtu.be/qImXBLkK4_A?t=1m8s

    As for Kyokushinkai, I'm not a fan of the art so, *shrugs*

    I'll probably look more into it, but atm, I'm skeptical tbh.

    Oh here's a Shotokan guy that ISN'T Machida for your entertainment :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKSXGWpQpk

    EDIT :

    Actually, that Shotokan guy threw a reverse punch and then stepped forward with his rear leg around 3:50 or 4:11, idk.

    Add that to the list of "weird **** karatekas do".
    I'm not going to address the first video because he isn't doing what you think he's doing.

    The second video, props to the asian man. That's about all I have to say about that. There's not too much to comment on what the kickboxer did. He came out cocky, he didn't fight, he got beat to ****.

    1st exchange: Didn't hit once.
    2nd exchange: Didn't hit once.
    3rd exchange: Kicked once from far away.
    4th exchange: Two kicks with no hip, one kick missed that was flip-floppity.
    etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Picking up your rear foot when you punch most likely means that you're overcommitting. Its pretty common if you hang out where heavy bags are sold and watch beginners try to throw all their weight into it (follwed by subtly rubbing their hurt wrist while acting like they didn't get hurt). When one of those punches misses an opponent, the opponent will capitalize on your mistake.
    Listen to Perma. He knows his stuff.


    I do wonder why you don't like Kyoukushin. It's kickboxing in a karate gi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopyud View Post
    Man, we're like the only two people in this forum. Thanks for humoring me, lol.

    It caught my attention because I thought I'd be able to move forward while throwing a cross.
    Currently I'm only able to move forward while jabbing. I can step forward while throwing a cross or overhand but not actually "move" forward.

    Here, can you see the rear leg on his jab/cross? It doesn't seem planted very well, but then again, I could be imagining it :

    I think his name is Leon Walters or something...

    http://youtu.be/qImXBLkK4_A?t=1m8s

    As for Kyokushinkai, I'm not a fan of the art so, *shrugs*

    I'll probably look more into it, but atm, I'm skeptical tbh.

    Oh here's a Shotokan guy that ISN'T Machida for your entertainment :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKSXGWpQpk

    EDIT :

    Actually, that Shotokan guy threw a reverse punch and then stepped forward with his rear leg around 3:50 or 4:11, idk.

    Add that to the list of "weird **** karatekas do".
    finally got around to checking your videos and reading the thread

    as to the Leon Walters thing.. he's doing what is fairly normal, rotating the rear leg inwards to get the hip motion for his cross


    I think you'd benefit greatly from turning up to a boxing gym and asking a coach there to tell you about their footwork
    yes, a fair bit of it needs some modification to cater for the fact that in your arts people will kick, elbow, knee, and sweep you; it will still benefit you greatly in terms of understanding the theory in footwork for ideal punching

    tldr; cross relies on the hip motion more than the planting per se, but twisting the rear leg and driving through the ball of the foot is the easiest way to do this (kind of like the very start of a typical MT low kick, since you're a MT guy)

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