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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    Because context is irrelevant.
    In this case, yes it is.

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    The BJJ class I'm taking is only twice per week, with an open mat session every Saturday. I hope this is enough to progress.

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    Decent enough psychology if you ask me. Looking at the 4 most extreme possible permutations...

    1)He massages your ego, you go to the tournament, lose and get your ego bruised and disheartened.

    or,

    2)He massages your ego, you go to the tournament, do well and come back with your head too swollen to fit through the front door.

    or,

    3)He tells you your "fodder", you go and do well and come back with your head too swollen to fit through the front door.

    or,

    4)He tells you your "fodder", you go to the tournament, lose but enjoy and grow from the experience anyway because you didn't set unrealistic expectations...

    From your other explanations it looks like 1) and 3) are unlikely so its a choice between 2) and 4)...

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    I'm pretty much where you are, been training for about 20 months, but my other **** in life interferes with me going to class. So while I think I'm pretty good for the total HOURS of class I have. I'm just another victim at tournaments. I generally win 1 match and am happy to do so. If you want to stop being fodder you have to dedicate yourself to improvement. Go to class 4 times a week, lift weights, run. Commit yourself to improving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joz
    Decent enough psychology if you ask me. Looking at the 4 most extreme possible permutations...

    1)He massages your ego, you go to the tournament, lose and get your ego bruised and disheartened.

    or,

    2)He massages your ego, you go to the tournament, do well and come back with your head too swollen to fit through the front door.

    or,

    3)He tells you your "fodder", you go and do well and come back with your head too swollen to fit through the front door.

    or,

    4)He tells you your "fodder", you go to the tournament, lose but enjoy and grow from the experience anyway because you didn't set unrealistic expectations...

    From your other explanations it looks like 1) and 3) are unlikely so its a choice between 2) and 4)...
    Also,

    5)He calls you fodder, you go to the tournament, lose and figure he was right all along and that knitting is more your thing.

    Seriously, though, the coach may have been making an off-color joke or something, just ignore it and go in there to win. "To win" because "to do your best" is more of an excuse to slack off from doing your best (IMHO). If you keep getting bullshit from your coach, then is the time to consider a change of school or other alternatives.

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    Hmmm, I thought Ykroon9 was choking out a Green Beret in some undisclosed location. Turns out he's gzk's BJJ coach...who'd a thunk it.

    Anyway, calling you tournament Fodder and then helping you to fix some holes in your game that make you a tourney speed-bump for other competitors is one thing. However, calling you "Fodder" in front of everyone else in class and instructing you to turtle quickly and pray for the clock to sound is just shitty coaching IMO.

    How you react to it is entirely up to you:

    1) Assuming your instructor is generally knowledgeable and a good BJJ coach, and this was just a example of him having a shitty day, follow upa's suggestion and "grow a pair", man up, train harder, and fix your game;

    or

    2) Throw a screaming tantrum and join a TKD school.

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    He didn't instruct them to turtle. He instructed them to get to their knees, which is very good advice and in a tournament is what you should do instead of reguarding. Very different.
    Last edited by UpaLumpa; 9/26/2008 10:38am at . Reason: unneeded nonsense.

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    Having taken more note of stuff he's said over the last few sessions, I'm fairly convinced it was a combination of realism in expectations of tournament results, and his sense of humour and general manner.

    Also, Upa has the correct interpretation of what he told us re: strategy. Myself and the other "fodder guy" are not guard specialists, myself even less so than him due in part to my short, thick legs, so it doesn't make sense to choose to pull guard if we can bail out to knees and restart head to head.

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    Pretty much every week after a tournament we drill turning on knees heavily. I was out of town for a few weeks awhile back, came back to that and asked my coach "Tournament?"

    I gave him enough **** that we did it before the last tournament. Didn't help me though.

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    Hmm, my mistake then. I took "get to your knees" as "turtle" as opposed to "get to your knees and frame out to standing".

    I agree that it is good advice for the guard-deficient in a tourney setting.

    However, I still think that calling him "fodder" in front of the whole class was a pretty shitty thing to do and is certainly not helpful in any way.

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