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    How are you getting the guillotine, people that think the guillotine does not work in no-gi? This may be the difference, as it can be easy to get the guillotine from side control versus trying to catch their head from your guard.

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    I think it's funny that he disses side control...I see that used a lot more (and a lot more successfully) in ADCC than, for instance, the full mount.

    I know this is only one guy--but most people who take full mount on Marcelo would be better off staying wherever they were. The number of times he takes the back or a leg from there is just sick.

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    I only do no-gi but guillotine from guard is probably my most common sub.
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    regarding renzo's flying guillotine

    it is alleged to be a work (as per matt hughes' book). he allegedly fought one of his students, did the guillotine, and got the cash for fastest submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanger123
    regarding renzo's flying guillotine

    it is alleged to be a work (as per matt hughes' book). he allegedly fought one of his students, did the guillotine, and got the cash for fastest submission.
    I thought is was Hughes's ADCC match with Horn that was a work that got him fastest submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRoc
    I say ha! You must be going against guys with sucky leglocks. I rarely lose mine when I commit to them.
    totally in agreence. I have trained with Gokor, wicked leg attacks, and because of this I always have them in the back of my mind. Half-guard, mount, side-mount, north-south, leg locks are available from all these positions. Oh yeah and back control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandp1120
    totally in agreence. I have trained with Gokor, wicked leg attacks, and because of this I always have them in the back of my mind. Half-guard, mount, side-mount, north-south, leg locks are available from all these positions. Oh yeah and back control.
    Hellzya. My fav is getting the kneebar from underneath in half guard. You can turn it into a sweep for back control if you like also.

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    My fav is the heel hook from butterfly guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanger123
    regarding renzo's flying guillotine

    it is alleged to be a work (as per matt hughes' book). he allegedly fought one of his students, did the guillotine, and got the cash for fastest submission.
    Unless you think Pat Milletich is one of his students and the IFL gave cash for fastest submission you're not talking about the -MMA- fight he was referencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razamataz
    I thought is was Hughes's ADCC match with Horn that was a work that got him fastest submission.
    that was also a work. Hughes wanted to get bonus for both fastest sub and best takedown (he does a suplex), but renzo's flying guillotine apparently was faster for the sub.


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    not mma, the ADCC match...

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