About BJJ (Not Trolling)

**ewdfs** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:07pm

I must say, BJJ really surprised everyone when the gracies were kicking ass and stuff, thats ok, but please could anyone tell me, what does BJJ lack? I mean, what makes a guy who trains only BJJ suffer the most on the street and on the ring

thanks a lot

**Punisher** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:14pm

In general BJJ is lacking in stand-up and takedown skills. Even the world's best grapplers have realized that you need to be able to survive on your feet long enough to get into your comfort zone. The current emphasis is being a compete fighter, combining aspects of MT, BJJ, and amateur wrestling.

**The Wastrel** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:23pm

BJJ's takedown skills are more than adequate for facing non-grapplers. But they suffer in relation to all varieties of Western wrestling, as well as Judo.

**drunkenj** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:26pm

there isn't really a lot wrong with it, it is only if you use your system under someone else's rules that you will see it's weaknesses, as pretty much every combatitive art expands to fit it's ruleset.
For example, i saw a judo guy beat a bjj guy at judo even though the bjj guy had 30-50 lbs on the judoka , he got ipponed probably because even though he was training judo a bit, he was more focussed on his ground game

**ewdfs** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:31pm

So in a kickboxer with no grappling experience facing a BJJ guy with no kickboxing skills scenario, the first would be "more screwed" than the last?

**The Wastrel** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:34pm

Probably. The grappler succeeds because he can attack the foundation of your power and movement. Kickboxing, and in your case Kyokushin, is good at cumulative damage, and the war of attrition that is common to striking sports. The only way that it can target the ability to deliver is by knocking someone the **** out.

When a grappler has your legs. Game's over. There is no equivalent strategy for strikers.

**ewdfs** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:37pm

Yeah, thats what I thought, that is why I mentioned balance on the other thread, but yeah, there is no balance if the guy has already got your legs.

Damn that sucks

**The Wastrel** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:40pm

Alot of arts that concentrate on balance and stability do so in a manner that is entirely irrelevant to a grappler's attack. Frequently, they are so rooted that they can't move fast enough to fight.

**drunkenj** · Posted On: 12/14/2003 6:43pm

all is not lost for kickboxers though: if you can adapt your style to one that will make you less takedown-able and more importantly learn to be a good enough grappler to survive and either not be taken down and get back up, then you can be super effective......... the problem is you have to be pretty good at grappling to do it......... Learning to defend against the shoot really really well by practising with people who really know how to do it would be a good start to even your odds out