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  1. Angry-Monkey is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/28/2008 11:59pm

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    hammer strength - isolateral bp

    Is this machine http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com...eralbenchpress a reasonable equivalent to the flat bench? I do my weight training on my own and a couple of weeks ago I was benching without a spotter, failed on my last rep of the set and almost dropped the bar on myself. The fear of a repeat incident has inhibited me from pushing myself at all with this lift, and I haven't made any gains since.

    I know the obvious advice will be to always make sure I have a spotter (got it), but what do people think of this machine?
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    Why not bench in a power rack?
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    I have never used the machine you cited, so i dont really know. It looks like it would give a similar effect though. Do you use it, or are you just looking into other options. I dont do alot of weights but i often see others use this without a spotter:



    Except with a flat bench, rather than a chair, I've seen them with stops on them you can set so the bar cant fall to far if you do manage to drop it, I've never used it for a bench press though.

    Or maybe something like this?




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    and this is gay:

    Quote Originally Posted by syberia

    Get a friend to spot you.
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    Safer yes. Equivelent no. It has a set range of motion like other machines, so you will probably get better at using the machine rather than developing practical strength. If you can't get a spotter just bench with dumbells.
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    I became very comfortable with the smith machine after using it for several years in the NAVY. (No flat bench because the ship rocking would be dangerous) If you do decide to go this route, don't fool yourself into thinking that lifting on the smith is the same as lifting on the flat bench (I can bench considerably more on the Smith). I don't think the smith machine stimulates your muscles in the same way, and the flat bench lift is harder (at least I find it harder to stabilize the bar). Also, I like the hammer strength machine(s) for isolation (the ballys down the street from me has a shitload of these things) but I don't think that it stimulates your muscles in the same way as a flat bench or dumbell presses would.
  7. antman is offline

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    8/29/2008 9:03am


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    with the smith machine you don't have to balance and stabilize so your support muscle groups do not develop as well. so when you go back to benching you will put up less weight.

    ask someone to spot you or go to dumbell presses if you don't have a spotter
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    8/29/2008 9:45am


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    Get a power rack with the bar thingies that can stop the weight:

    http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...018_2145866723
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    Posted On:
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    The smith machine will injure you, as it forces your body to travel in an unnatural set path.

    The hammerstrength machine is not a flat bench equivalent, as it is a machine. The flat bench is a flat bench equivalent.

    Do not train to failure, and you will not encounter these issues. Only bodybuilders should be training to failure in the first place. You as a strength athlete want to stop before failure. Leave a rep or 2 in the tank. As has also been mentioned, bench in the power rack with the pins set below your arch. When you drop your arch, you should be able to escape just fine.
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    8/29/2008 10:38am


     Style: Grappling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I dig on the Power racks.
    They make me feel alot more comfortable when doing very heavy squats and such.
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