Grapevine while escaping mount
We just did some mount escape drills and I was trying to UPA the guy. I like to trap both legs and then, depending on which arm post I can take out, go that way.
He kept telling me that this was a bad idea, and was "leg locking" me. Now I have had this done many times before, and it does not really hurt, so no tap or even movement from me. The one thing it did was make it difficult to push off when I bridged, but I was able to push through that. Maybe it he was a lot stronger than me, it would have been more of an issue.
Anyway, my question is: Is it really a bad idea to grapevine the legs when under mount?
I'm confused. If you're underneath and grapevine both legs it would be impossible to upa. You might simply be rolling to the side, which isn't going to work against people that have 6 months of experience or aren't letting you.
As for the leg locking thing, no idea what you're talking about. There are leg locks from the top that you do with your legs but those I know require both legs.
I agree with Upalumpa; I'm not sure at all what you're talking about with either the grapevining thing or the leg lock thing. The mount escape I learned involve only trapping one leg (the side that you have the arm trapped on and subsequently the side you're rolling towards), and having the other one down on the ground in between the guy's legs.
I actually have a tendency to let guys mount me because it's one of the few escapes I can pull off once in a while.
Years ago in my JJJ days I did that, grape vined the guys legs while I was mounted. Then extended both my legs trying to lock him up (thus locking up my legs)
He then tried to roll and tore the **** out of my knee as my kneecap moved in one direction by itself.
Grape vining both legs while mounted is incredibly stupid don't do it unless you want to tear your knee up.
Yeah, if you can grapevine both legs and barrel-roll over together, then you need a new training partner that has some base/wrestling skill.
Goju's right, you'll likely hurt your knees.
There are a few leg-locks you can preform, leg vs leg, while mounted. But they are very hard to lock down. I've been able to irritate better guys with these attempts and make space to escape, but they're not a reliable plan of action.
Kind of like thinking a lock down from half is going to tap someone.
Although don't forget teh Reverse KNEEBAH!
I rolled under a guy the other day to a knee bar and almost shouted that.
Glad I didn't.
I am not explaining well, which is my fault. I am also pretty sure that I am misusing the term "grapevining". Also, I am not trying to grapevine or leglock. I am just trapping both legs at the same time.
Just like you trap a single leg for a proper Upa, I trap BOTH legs - one on each side. What often happens is that the guy in mount then straightens out both legs in a kind of grapevining leglock. Like I said before, it is irritating but not really painful and not a problem to pull out of. So I can fight back to the original position, of trapping both of his legs - one on each side.
With both legs trapped, I can go to either side depending on what his upper body is giving me. I then bridge hard and at a 45 degree angle over my head and to the side - I do this at the same time as I take the second post (his arm o the side I an bridging to) out. I am not just rolling over.
He kept telling me not to trap both legs at the same time. However, I do not see why not.
Last edited by JMass; 10/06/2008 6:06pm at .
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