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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkattack4173
    Interesting that this is considered the hard form of aikido. Viewing the video it almost seemed like the softest, many times the defender threw the opponent without even employing a lock. Are there harder techniques that are not shown here or is this a good example of this form of aikido? If this hard aikido what is soft aikido like?
    Read up on Yoshinkan online or in the experience-writer-novel "Angry White Pyjamas" and then read about other styles of Aikido. Speaking very generally--it helps more to actually learn about specific schools--one could say:

    Hard style is rougher, with harder falls and locks, implied strikes, and more linearity. It's compliant, but they'll still slam you.

    Soft style is more consistently circular, often with more extra footwork, less implied strikes, and more compliant falls.

    Remember, this is the original concept and rationale for ukemi in the first place, just like in judo (except that aikido is 100% uke-tori, and judo has aliveness in the form of randori).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sempaiman
    Wonder how the sensei would look if he was attacked (in the demo) by three untrained people instead of aikido black belts...
    Who knows?. The sensei at that time was approaching his 70's. However he had, by some accounts, fucked people seriously in the street when younger.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkattack4173
    Interesting that this is considered the hard form of aikido. Viewing the video it almost seemed like the softest, many times the defender threw the opponent without even employing a lock. Are there harder techniques that are not shown here or is this a good example of this form of aikido?
    There's a lot of aikido techniques which don't involve locks and are based on attacker's inertia and misdirection.

    Here is a more recent example of the style:

    YouTube - Inoue kancho (9th Dan) Yoshinkan Aikido Enbukai in Tokyo

    A lot of kokyu ryoku tricks but some interesting techniques around 1:30 mark.
    If this hard aikido what is soft aikido like?
    More or less:
    YouTube - Aikido - soft throws
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    No, I meant to say how would the demo look if his uke's (attackers) where untrained instead being blackbelts and knowing how to fall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sempaiman
    No, I meant to say how would the demo look if his uke's (attackers) where untrained instead being blackbelts and knowing how to fall...
    To be honest, I'm pretty sure the instructor would know better than to call untrained ukes for a demonstration or if he did, he'd demonstrate other techniques.

    I can remember when I used to do Aikido. My instructor would demonstrate more of the "painful" locks on the untrained, such as kote gaeshi, nikkyo or sanko. He'd save more of the flowing techniques, such as the various kokyu nage throws for the more experienced.

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    People who start aikido threads should have their fucking hands cut off.
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    Hey, Ive got that the film "budo the art of killing" somewhere in my collection, I remember there was a JKA karate guy pounding a locomotive as a makiwara. Ill have to drag it out. I seem to remember it being a very silly documentary overall?

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    The Yagyu Shinkage Ryu kenjutsu was impressive considering their paired kata were demonstrated with shinken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrm1775
    I'm sure we will all eat our words when the zombies attack, and the aikidokas are the only survivors.


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    Yeah I've seen that movie a couple of times on cable (flix) . Some of the stuff in it about Okinawan Kobudo were inaccurate. Although I must I kind of liked the whole seventies vibe of the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrm1775
    I'm sure we will all eat out words when the zombies attack, and the aikidokas are the only survivors.
    That's true. Zombies don't eat their own.

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