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  1. Raging Monkey is offline
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    Mata Leo with foot???

    So, Saturday in class I applied a sub which I was told was illegal (what I have now come to learn is called a 'bicep slicer', I learned it a loooong time ago as a 'keylock'... done as a counter to the standard armbar defense) so I decided to go brush up on the rules before my first tourney next month.

    In perusing the IBJJF ruleset I got pretty confused because it reads like it was written by a half-retarded crackwhore... then I came to the rule that states a "Mata Leo with foot" is illegal.

    How in the hell do you do a rear naked choke with your foot anyway? Or is that some other way of saying "gogoplata"? I am hoping it is not the latter as I have grown kind of fond of doing them, or at least threatening them to open up space for my omoplatas.
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    It means a figure-four toe hold. Yes, it's a fucking funny way to put it.
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    Wouldn't a toe hold be a 'mata leo with foot'? Either way, that's a retarded way of describing it. Be sure to go to the rules meeting and ask lots of questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Monkey
    I came to the rule that states a "Mata Leo with foot" is illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Razamataz
    Wouldn't a toe hold be a 'mata leo with foot'?
    Are you drunk?
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    8/18/2008 1:15pm


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    That would make sense if there wasn't already another line item stating no attacks below the waist.

    So obviously any sort of leg/ankle lock is out of the question... why call that out specifically? But I will say that figure four toe hold now that I think about it makes sense.

    I just want to make sure gogoplatas are legal at white belt level. Last thing I want to do is get DQ'd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Are you drunk?
    No, just stupid. I meant to say Mata Leo on the foot.
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    We were confused by that at the jujitsu nationals here in SA last year as well, the way they showed it in the "rules demo" or whatever they called it was a fig-4 footlock thing. I thought it was just the godawful confusion that surrounded that event.
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    The IBJJF rules always talk about the 'mata leao with foot' referring to toeholds. I guess it's just a literal translation from brazilian portuguese. Also, a keylock (also called Americana) is a shoulder lock, and not a bicep slicer. It's wrist-to-head rotation of the rotator cuff as opposed to the wrist-to-stomach rotation which is a kimura (or omoplata depending on whether you're using your arms or hips to apply the lock).

    In terms of attacks below the waist, I think you are allowed a straight achilles lock, provided you don't end up with any twist on the knee. But straight kneebars aren't allowed until the middle belts, and the twisting locks such as toeholds and twisting footlocks are later still. Heelhooks are illegal through all belts because of the danger to shin & knee with a bit of adrenelin.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razamataz
    No, just stupid. I meant to say Mata Leo on the foot.
    That would make more sense but I think they should just say figure four toe hold or just toe hold.

    Seriously , Mata Leo with foot???
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    Raging Monkey, you fighting in the Pan-Jiu Jitsu no-gi's?
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