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  1. astralfire is offline

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    Deoz:

    This forum is bullshido and its the proper forum for you and yoru master Kru Praeng:


    First offf, the facts you present are distorted and only come from the mouth and training of you rteacher Kru Praeng. You might think you are thai and you know it all but lets set the record straight for you.

    You are a propaganda minister much like those brainwashed and distorted into rewriting and destroying history like the nazis. You evidently dont research and look into what you are talking about. You only post on forums about the exploits of kru praeng, at times even calling him grandmaster which is absurd.

    Kru Praeng is not a grandmaster and should never be called grandmaster. he is simply a student one of many of the late kru tong. Students older than kru praeng still teach as well as senior instructor under kru kethr kru tongs teacher. You seem to blieve kru praeng is the only one who teach any aspect from high to low of muay chaiya and this a lie and utterly ridiciulous. There are many teachers some of which have superior skill in all areas than kru praeng. Live with that fact.

    Kru Praeng was never a fighter and never taught any fighters to any level other than amateur at best. He is known for his knowledge of muay chaiya as a dead pattern. He is not known as a fighter or as someone who was trained as a fighter by kru tong. Simple research would bear that out.

    Kru Praeng never was tained in muay thai or krabi krabong. he just took bits and pieces of kk and added them in. He has little to no knowledge or experience in muay thai and none trainign in a kai muay. I verified that as well through fairtex.

    Kru Praeng has been making up alot of nonsense and garbage and slapping it into muay chaiya then rewriting in. The old techsn dont look like

    You keep twisting historical fact into things that work for you . The grappling you are using is modern and from bjj/mma. The hsitorical techs you are using is just names like a movie to try to validate what you are doing.

    We are not student americans and just because you think you are thai you know better but in this case you are riding a losing battle.

    Kru Praeng is deceiving himself and the public. It would be sad for any foreigner to go train with him only to ahve the wool pulled over their eyes.

    I dont care about praeng you might think he is something special based on the limitts of your skill and ability but there are those who believe he posseses next to nothing and is a good at his chosen art of muay chaiya used as an ancient method.

    If you or him want to be progressive, then its great but you acknowledge the fact you are using BJJ.MMA and outside techniques. You were trying to sell the thais on a method you were saying was authentic and could complete with bjj/mma, i heard this said in thai circles. if so come out into the BIG world and compete. Prove your point.

    Dont try to sell gulliable people on your nonsense. We know all about it and it seems alot more than you because you insist on the same nonsense over and over and on forums after forum.

    I think the american and foriegners will bypass any affilitation with you hopefully and seek out the real teachers without agenda.
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    Posted On:
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    Astralfire,

    Can you post some of the material (ie emails, listing, etc) that you used to verify Kru Preang credentials (or lack thereof). That will go a long ways in helping others out.
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    Hey grazere:
    Its not lack there of of credentials so to speak but of bending fact and rewriting things then stating they are true, but if you are reading all the posts from defend.net and every other forum they invade: They have been implying all this for a long time and it has gone uncontested. if you read the posts of what he is saying and know reality, the two dont meet.

    Kru Praeng was simply one of many students of kru praeng as kru lek, kru lem, the monk ta and many others. Kru tong left no successor, his daughter, his brother all help in continuing the systems as well as kru tongs teachers students and his fellow students who are still alive. So there are many legitamate muay chaiya instructors. You can verify that anywhere,, anytime in thailand or through any board.

    Kru Praeng was one of the top students of kru tong but not his successor or not the only one by far of the full techniques.


    Kru Praeng implies he is also teaching authentic muay chaiya and again from the posts above we see this is not so, he can be progressive and compete which is great and what muay chaiya needs, but dont make up endless names and excuses.

    Kru Praeng for the record never fought and never trained fighters, he taught a phys ed class for hte university. Its cool if he now wants to train fighters.

    Kru Praeng has no knowledge or training in muay thai itself, you can verify that with anyone including fairtex.

    He seems to want to draw foreigners into his web and into his brainwashing, then holds them endlessly in basics and never teaches them beyond a certain point. This fact you can verify from the inside from thais and foreigners alike.

    The problem here is overinflating of simple facts and not stating simple truths, which create distortion.

    you can check numerous threads on defend.net and other forums where alot of the info is debated.
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    I feel in these situations to give credit where credit is due and I have been relatively balanced in the past. Kru Praeng does know muay chaiya but he is not superior to the other teachers and is one of many teachers, any claims to be the ONLY one, the GRANDMASTER, the one who has all the techniques, can fight or has fought are claims that will never be substantiated. So one can go learn and be happy with Kru Praeng and learn muay chaiya but dont get involved with the politics, bad mouthing and outlandish claims. Seperate it from the teachings. I think that will give people a balance for those who want to explore it further and do their own investigations
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    You specka engrish?
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    Hey Astralfire,

    it seems that kru Praeng students have finally found the right forum
    for themselves.
    Bullshido is great in this aspect, it was created for people like that.
    Deoz's posts here are a copy and paste of Killer's posts on defend.net,
    which shows they can't even argue with their own words and can't provide
    solid basis to their claims, simply because there is none.
    It is true there are many Muay Chaiya teachers in Thailand who just work,
    train and teach AND THAT'S IT. It's always been like this and this is how it should be.

    The BJJ issue was funny, now that MMA is getting known in Thailand kru Praeng just had
    to lay his greedy hands on that too !
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    So what´s next? Proof that t3h r341 Muay Thai used triangle chokes to take out war elephants?
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    Well that would make as much sense as the claims made by Deoz and Killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tee sok
    Well that would make as much sense as the claims made by Deoz and Killer.
    lol gogoplata on elephant trunk.
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