Thread: SAMBO vs Judo
2/06/2013 4:27pm, #131
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- Pasadena, CA
- Judo noob, injured guy.
Pretty sure that most of the "Sambo = Russian Judo" is a combo of people being more familiar in the West with Judo than with the regional folk-wrestling styles of the former Soviet Union, and the fact that one of the two men two created (organized? gathered?) Sambo was a fucking Judo black belt. One of the first non-Japanese Judo black belts, if I recall. So, he was probably heavily influence by Judo, though the other wrestling styles are certainly present as well.
That was crankier sounding than I wanted it to be...
Anyway, for a non-eastern European/central Asian, Russian Judo is a much easier concept to understand as a basic understanding than Soviet folk-wrestling and Judo influenced self defense adapted into a jacket-wrestling sport.
Though I guess "Russian Jacket Wrestling" is probably just as useful.
Dammit, I helped a thread necro.
2/07/2013 1:38pm, #132
My knowledge is superficial, Steve has the real knowledge!
2/07/2013 1:54pm, #133
2/07/2013 1:54pm, #134
2/07/2013 10:32pm, #135
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Yeah I see your point of western mind simplification practice - makes sense - we all try to simplify things to ease understanding. Just a few things sometimes get lost in translation :)
One thing to mention (which might get nervous a few people :) ) is that Sambo is a Self Defense system and is NOT a Martial Art in the common sense of this word:
1. Sambo is free of philosophical doctrine or religious ground unlike other martial arts;
2. There is no one (or two like you mentioned) founder(s) to follow, which every MA has;
3. Sambo does not accept any authority (kinda The Big Teacher said to do it this way) Although there are people who were pioneers and are respected a lot, but others, who do development can override previous ideas as soon as those stop working. Just to mention, in addition to 2 mentioned by you "founders" (which were just pioneers), the actual work on systematization of Sambo was done later by Kharlampiev. Who is also not considered as a "founder" :) Because of him and his team Sambo became in 1940 close to what it is now, now with first two.
Other words you will not find bowing to pictures of dead Big Teacher(s) in Sambo class :)
It doesn't mean disrespect to those who did a big add on and influence into Sambo but rather the opposite - sincere recognition without humiliating exaggeration.
By all means, you can call it "Russian Jacket Wrestling" or "Russian Judo". Just maybe it is interesting to know that it is further from Judo than a kickboxing :)
2/07/2013 10:38pm, #136
Omega's peeing on people again. Someone get a towel.
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