233514 Bullies, 3632 online  
  • Register
Our Sponsors:

Results 81 to 90 of 112
Page 9 of 12 FirstFirst ... 56789 101112 LastLast
Sponsored Links Spacer Image
  1. ITRY is offline

    Featherweight

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    27

    Posted On:
    8/13/2008 5:55pm

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: Kung Fu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sang
    More like Judo wins.

    - A lot of fights start close range with them up in your chest, perfect throwing range.

    - Most people wear clothing, handy for chokes and holds for throws.

    - hard surfaces suck to be thrown on.

    -Much less liability problems, you can say you were restraining him as aposed to the muay thai 'i elbowed and kneed him in the face because i was pretty sure he was about to throw a punch, i collected most of his teeth.. here they are'

    But i don't train for self defense, **** that. Oh, and bonus points for talking about street fights in noobie discussion.. oh yeah.
    Judo teaches you that it is prefered to be thrown onto your head than onto your back because of the pervertion of the ippon scoring rule. This is bad for self protection, do NOT train Judo if you want to protect yourself!
  2. Vince Tortelli is offline

    Light Heavyweight

    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    4,000

    Posted On:
    8/13/2008 6:06pm

    supporting member
     

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    According to the State of Louisiana Corrections Cadet Handbook:

    "The palm heel thrust to the Upper Torso is the best way to stop an advancing attacker's forward momentum."

    Of course, this is the same "Defensive Manuvers" (can't call it Hand to Hand combat, that's not politically correct) course that advocates double hammer fists to the forearms as the best way to deal with someone grabbing you by the shoulders. Why, why, why?

    PS: On an unrelated Bas note, didn't he once say that he always used his palms instead of his fists back in his bouncing days, and that's why he did so well in Pancrase?
  3. Jim_Jude is offline
    Jim_Jude's Avatar

    Shime Waza Test Dummy

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,555

    Posted On:
    8/13/2008 9:23pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: StrikeyGrappling & WW2-fu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sang
    Punching people in the face is not the problem, punching people in the forehead/skull when they duck is what gets you. I got in a fight years back before i knew much and broke the other guys hand on the top of my head. Screwed my hand with gloves on too by punching a guy in the forehead, it was the middle nuckle area which got damaged so the punching technique was fine.
    :laughing7

    Quote Originally Posted by Sang
    I think it comes down to risk v reward, there is a decent sized chance you are going to break your hand if you throw barenuckle punches to the head* so you have to think is it worth it or should i just use a less fragile weapon. If it is an untrained drunk attacking you, do you really need to risk injury that could take you out of training 8 weeks? Even if the chance of breakage is under 10% why risk that **** if you know your elbows will destroy the guy just as easily?
    :laughing7

    Quote Originally Posted by Sang
    Now if someone you care about is in danger or the guy poses some kind of real threat, then yes it is worth potentially fucking your hand up to destroy the guy. It is things like this which make me think grappling arts are much more suited to self defense.

    *when i was getting my hand x-rayed the lady said i was the 4th person they'd seen with nuckle injuries that week, albiet most were boxer fractures from punching incorrectly.
    It even happens when wrapped and gloved. That's the problem with moving targets. However, a bouncer friend of mine almost knocked another guy out when he was almost run over while crossing the street. He gave him a power slap to the side of the head, just like I taught him, and the other guy's motorcycle helmet didn't protect him much... try THAT with a punch! Will never punched anyone at work again, especially when he found out the relaxed liability isse of "slapping" someone while escorting them out of the club.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
  4. Jim_Jude is offline
    Jim_Jude's Avatar

    Shime Waza Test Dummy

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,555

    Posted On:
    8/13/2008 9:42pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: StrikeyGrappling & WW2-fu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2
    This is a good point. Does anyone (except Pancrasists, I guess?) spar with palm strikes, NOT SLAPS, to the head and body?

    EDIT: I also fully concur with moose:
    We do (FMA / Pentjak Silat)
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
  5. Jim_Jude is offline
    Jim_Jude's Avatar

    Shime Waza Test Dummy

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,555

    Posted On:
    8/13/2008 9:46pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: StrikeyGrappling & WW2-fu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
    According to the State of Louisiana Corrections Cadet Handbook:

    "The palm heel thrust to the Upper Torso is the best way to stop an advancing attacker's forward momentum."

    Of course, this is the same "Defensive Manuvers" (can't call it Hand to Hand combat, that's not politically correct) course that advocates double hammer fists to the forearms as the best way to deal with someone grabbing you by the shoulders. Why, why, why?
    Sounds like someone did a little too much Kara-tay before writing that manual up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
    PS: On an unrelated Bas note, didn't he once say that he always used his palms instead of his fists back in his bouncing days, and that's why he did so well in Pancrase?
    Bas always did insist that his method of streetfighting was markedly different than his ring fighting style.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
  6. Vince Tortelli is offline

    Light Heavyweight

    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    4,000

    Posted On:
    8/14/2008 5:18pm

    supporting member
     

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude
    Sounds like someone did a little too much Kara-tay before writing that manual up.
    Brother, you have no idea. Several times I have come very close to collapsing in hysterical laughter, but since the instructor is a former Marine turned TAC Team sniper I believe this to be a bad career move. The corrections H2H really deserves it's own thread, I'll put one up when I get the time.

    Bas always did insist that his method of streetfighting was markedly different than his ring fighting style.
    For one thing, I'm pretty sure he doesn't do his own sound effects in the ring. We'd need to ask Frank Shamrock or Jason Delucia to be sure, though...
  7. ajarnkenzie is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    17

    Posted On:
    8/20/2008 12:31am

    Bullshido Newbie
     

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    With correct "iron palm" training you can turn your palm strikes into extremely effective weapons. A downward strike to the inside of an opponents thigh as he tries a muay thai style knee to the chest , followed quickly by another palm strike to the chin is a good defensive combo.
    But like I said you need to do some conditioning to really make these strikes effective.
  8. Anna Kovacs is offline
    Anna Kovacs's Avatar

    Spear Sister

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Las Vegas, NV
    Posts
    6,421

    Posted On:
    8/20/2008 12:54am

    supporting membersupporting member
     Style: Dancing the Spears

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I'm sure on your planet those attacks are extremely effective...
  9. 3moose1 is offline
    3moose1's Avatar

    United States Marine.

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    San Clemente
    Posts
    9,530

    Posted On:
    8/20/2008 1:05am

    Join us... or die
     Style: MCMAP, BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by ajarnkenzie
    With correct "iron palm" training you can turn your palm strikes into extremely effective weapons. A downward strike to the inside of an opponents thigh as he tries a muay thai style knee to the chest , followed quickly by another palm strike to the chin is a good defensive combo.
    But like I said you need to do some conditioning to really make these strikes effective.
    good defensive combo, if you want to get your ass kicked.

    Which, well, isn't really a good defensive combo, now is it?

    PROOF that I'm not a completely useless poster:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...0&postcount=58


    Quote Originally Posted by Cy Q. Faunce
    3moose1 is correct. Sig THAT, you fucker.

    Quote Originally Posted by sochin101 View Post
    I went out with a delightful young woman who was on a regimen of pills that made her taste of burned onions.
    That is not conducive to passionate cunnilingus, my friend, let me assure you.
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy View Post
    I agree with moosey
  10. Jim_Jude is offline
    Jim_Jude's Avatar

    Shime Waza Test Dummy

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,555

    Posted On:
    8/20/2008 3:47am

    Join us... or die
     Style: StrikeyGrappling & WW2-fu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    I'm sure on your planet those attacks are extremely effective...
    Yeah, the 10th Planet... :toothy9:
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
Page 9 of 12 FirstFirst ... 56789 101112 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Powered by vBulletin™© contact@vbulletin.com vBulletin Solutions, Inc. 2011 All rights reserved.