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  1. WhiteShark is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by moose
    Anyhow, i think a palm thrust to the ... groin

    I'm sure you love palming man-groins.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark
    And this:
    Holy ****, at least that guy has good boxing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cy Q. Faunce
    3moose1 is correct. Sig THAT, you fucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBadGuy
    I love palming man-groins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cy Q. Faunce
    3moose1 is correct. Sig THAT, you fucker.

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    I went out with a delightful young woman who was on a regimen of pills that made her taste of burned onions.
    That is not conducive to passionate cunnilingus, my friend, let me assure you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3moose1
    This is my take on the matter:

    A fist is naturally going to be harder. Its denser, and heavier then the heel of your hand (which as i understand, is what your supposed to hit with...). A fist will hit with more force (usually) and do more damage (usually). Damage to both parties. Trust me, i've broken 3 fingers, my 5th metacarpal, and displaced a tendon in my pinkie from punching (albeit, incorrectly, but in a self defense situation, how many people are going to be capable of making a technically perfect fist?)
    How is the fist "harder", "denser", and "heavier" when it is an anatomical structure designed for fine motor function, such as tool using and fruit picking, as opposed to the load-bearing structure of the base of the palm? The fist is structurally supported by metacarpals & phalanges and their joints, backed by carpals, whereas the palm heel is applied directly to the carpals and flexor retinaculum, which is supported directly by the radius and ulna. Considering the damage to your own hands, I would say that if you haven't learned your lesson by now, you are probably beyond hope.
    Last edited by Jim_Jude; 8/12/2008 5:55pm at .
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    Redundant sentence...You do realize you're talking to 3moose1, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude
    How is the fist "harder", "denser", and "heavier" when it is an anatomical structure designed for fine motor function, such as tool using and fruit picking, as opposed to the load-bearing structure of the base of the palm? The fist is structurally supported by metacarpals & phalanges and their joints, backed by carpals, whereas the palm heel is applied directly to the carpals and flexor retinaculum, which is supported directly by the radius and ulna. Considering the damage to your own hands, I would say that if you haven't learned your lesson by now, you are probably beyond hope.
    FYI loads of **** like this are why I moved this thread out of Strikeistan.

    "fine motor function, such as tool using and fruit picking" Yeah go pick fruit with your fists.

    Though your point may be valid if we suggested using finger tip strikes.

    Also, if you really belive that tripe lets fight bareknuckle at a throwdown. I will only use fists and you will only use palm heels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude
    How is the fist "harder", "denser", and "heavier" when it is an anatomical structure designed for fine motor function, such as tool using and fruit picking, as opposed to the load-bearing structure of the base of the palm? The fist is structurally supported by metacarpals & phalanges and their joints, backed by carpals, whereas the palm heel is applied directly to the carpals and flexor retinaculum, which is supported directly by the radius and ulna. Considering the damage to your own hands, I would say that if you haven't learned your lesson by now, you are probably beyond hope.
    You're an idiot.

    Fyi, my damaged hands come from me being an idiot/having shitty boxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark
    FYI loads of **** like this are why I moved this thread out of Strikeistan.

    "fine motor function, such as tool using and fruit picking" Yeah go pick fruit with your fists.

    Though your point may be valid if we suggested using finger tip strikes.

    Also, if you really belive that tripe lets fight bareknuckle at a throwdown. I will only use fists and you will only use palm heels.
    I'm referring to biology and anatomical structures and the value of uninjured hands, not your macho sport boxing bullshit. I'm not saying that boxing doesn't work, but I myself practice striking, grappling, and weapon arts, and if I break my hand while boxing, the efficiency of everything plummets. If this is beyond you, I'm sorry. I know too many people who have broken their hands and had their lives adversely affected for the immediate future to think otherwise.

    Metacarpals and Phelanges aren't for striking, that why they get broken and dislocated so often in boxing and other activities, you fucking tithead.

    BTW, fists can be used for striking, but the structure accepts stress in a very particular way. For example, find a hard inanimate object (I'm ruling out your fucking head), and strike it with a hammer fist 10 times as hard as you can. Now, punch it boxing-style 10 times as hard as you can. Observe, if you can, which particular strike allows for optimum delivery of force while at the same time avoiding injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3moose1
    You're an idiot.

    Fyi, my damaged hands come from me being an idiot/having shitty boxing.

    How long have you been boxing? & how long after your shitty boxing resulted in a broken hand or fingers did you NOT improve your boxing skills to attempt to avoid such injuries in the future?

    Huh, & you call me an idiot...
    Last edited by Jim_Jude; 8/12/2008 10:11pm at .
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude
    How long have you been boxing? & how long after your shitty boxing resulted in a broken hand or fingers did you NOT improve your boxing skills to attempt to avoid such injuries in the future?

    Huh, & you call me an idiot...
    I was 14, with anger issues. I had never taken any boxing lessons, but decided to go 3 rounds with a wall.

    Needless to say, my boxing is much improved, since i've started training...


    also, i don't do stupid **** like hit walls anymore :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cy Q. Faunce
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    That is not conducive to passionate cunnilingus, my friend, let me assure you.
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