The Palm Heel Thrust Discussion Thread

**vaquero de las nalgas** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 5:00am

My friend's son was held up at gun point in the restaurant he worked at. The guy threatened to kill him. When he turned his back the kid knocked the gun out of his hand and started beating the guy's face. Somehow the perp got the gun back and pistol whipped the kid, smashing one of his eye sockets. He also threw hot french fry oil on the kid out of spite.

The reason I mention this is that her son is currently recovering. He had to have surgery on both of his hands as all of the knuckles were broken, required plates and screws, etc. It's possible he may never regain feeling in his right hand as the knuckles broke again when the initial cast was taken off.

The other alternative to the palm strike is a hammer fist or ridge hand. I've broken bags of ice with a hammer fist with relatively little effort. Either way they both sound like good alternatives than to punch bony parts of the body. There's always that slap to the throat or nose....

**Fuzzy** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 5:09am

Back when I did goju my instructor was always going on about hard weapon, soft target and hard target, soft weapon. That seems to be the idea here, can't say if it works or not though.

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 5:25am

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Back when I did goju my instructor was always going on about hard weapon, soft target and hard target, soft weapon. That seems to be the idea here, can't say if it works or not though.

I never liked that philisophy. According to it, a straight right to the jaw line or a shin to the temple would be bad weapons, as they're hard weapons on hard targets.

**Sang** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 5:58am

After i injured my hand even with 16 ounce boxing gloves on i am really scared to use normal punches in a real fight. If i ever get in a bar fight after this i really doubt i'll throw a punch unless i really have to. This seems like a good alternative but i don't think anything will beat the effectiveness of the good old elbow in a situation where you don't have hand protection.

A fight broke out on the bus on the way back from a Muay Thai fight night on friday and i had to have a good think about what i'd use if they forced me to get involved. No kicks and knees due to tight jeans and a stuffed main hand so all that would be left is the clinch and elbows really.

**socratic** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 6:19am

Soft weapon + hard target (in terms of attacking a person) is retarded. That's like hitting someone in the forehead with your thigh or forearm or something muscley. Clearly you're much better off going for a hard-as-hell weapon like an elbow. That said, attacking the crown is generally a bad idea unless your weapon is harder than human bone.

Hard weapon + soft target is a surefire asswhupper, naturally.

**Fuzzy** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 6:27am

Nicely summed up socratic, I like that.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 7:48am

I was planning on just pruning this morning but this thread has become so retarded I'm deporting all of it.

This is why we can't have nice things. :(

**maofas** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 8:15am

So basically, I restrained myself for nothing!

**Deadmeat** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 5:30pm

**ITRY** · Posted On: 8/11/2008 6:53pm

Originally Posted by mike321

In your picture the ribs of Brown are not nearly as exposed as Black's head. Brown can at least retract his right arm. Black is wide open. Plus, why wouldn't Black use his fist to throw the weak strike instead of an open palm to throw the weak strike? (To get back to the point of the thread.)

the black guy is guarding his center with his right hand and controlling brown's right elbow. Browns ribs are a good target in this situation.