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    NOTE TO SELF - MOAR GRAPPLE - GET A NORMAL HAIR CUT - REPEAT

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    How Do Harai Goshi?

    Can someone break this down for a Judo n00b (me)? I am particularly interested in how this might be modified for no gi, and if there is a Greco throw like it. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Can someone break this down for a Judo n00b (me)? I am particularly interested in how this might be modified for no gi, and if there is a Greco throw like it. Thanks!
    If you want instruction from your Judo instructor, you would want to ask about the nage-no-kata version of harai goshi. It works off of an underhook and a wrist grip.
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    Except that I don't have a Judo instructor. I'm tring to modify this throw for SanDa
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Except that I don't have a Judo instructor. I'm tring to modify this throw for SanDa
    Ah, sorry. When you described yourself as a Judo noob I thought you had maybe began Judo training as well.

    In that case, as I'm drunk anyway, I'll hope MTripp or CoachJosh or someone comes along. Good luck!
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    Make their body go the opposite way that gravity wants!

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    sleeve hand is modified to a wrist grab or an above the elbow grab. Lapel hand can be used around the neck, underhook, around the hip, whatever trips your trigger.

    Break down? like a one footed o goshi but the other foot prevents them from stepping over.
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    Greco one is called "cross-body" or "cross-buttocks" throw, I think. Well that's what it's called here...
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    harai goshi is my go to throw, I'm short and stocky, so I like the under hook and wrist grab, for sanda with boxing gloves, you may like the underhook and an overhook on the side you're going to be throwing on.

    Check this video out, the guy has double over hooks, but they're both about the same height.
    The throw is at 4:27ish, Slow Motion goodness at 5:49
    YouTube- Harai Goshi knock out from throw
    Last edited by ojgsxr6; 5/18/2010 2:47am at .
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    Nice, but bad form. One should sweep below the knee for harai goshi. It is much harder to throw by sweeping above the knee.

    A while back I posted a link to my student, Dom "I hate you so much" O Grady's King of the Cage championship win. The harai in that fight is textbook perfect...

    ...of course he had a good teacher.
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    More thoughts:

    Best (IMO) grips for no-gi are over-the-back+grabbing the lat muscle, and the underhook. Overhook also works, but it is harder to get the body contact and leg contact placement correct in my experience.

    You want a lot of body contact. In judo this is classified as a hip throw, and for good reason. You're throwing them with your hip over your upper leg. If you're doing it as a leg throw, you're probably hitting above the knee and doing a different throw like o guruma or ashi guruma. Those can work, but they're harder and require different kuzushi.

    Specifically, you want your side to be in contact with his torso. Not your back.

    It is important to pull him forward using your underhook or lat grip (or ideally catch him moving in the direction of the throw).

    Examine this video and transmute his "pull up on the sleeve" grip to a "tight to my torso" with a grip on the elbow/wrist, and a his lapel grip with the elbow in the armpit to an underhook. In the gi you can use both of your hands to lift. In no-gi you will have a hard time doing the Okano entry on this throw and are better served just lifting with the underhook.
    YouTube- Harai Goshi
    His instruction on the mechanics of the throw itself is one of the best floating around on youtube.

    Hope that helps.
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