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  1. MMills is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/03/2008 8:29pm

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    Sikal?

    Hello everyone, I'm new here but have been interested in FMA for sometime. I really do not know what to look for and I was wondering if anyone had info on Sikal, which seems to be a blend of Kali and Silat. I really want to start taking a class that offers Kali and this school seems to be the only one in the area that offers it.

    Thanks in advance

    Here is the website so you can take a look and see what I'm talking about:

    http://www.louisvillemartialarts.net...ilat-SIKAL.php
  2. selfcritical is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/03/2008 11:21pm


     Style: Pekiti, ARMA, other stuff

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Nothing in the videos looked particularly egrigeous, and the guy looks like he's got a wide background. He just doesn't know how to take a picture without looking like a douche.

    And even if he turns out to suck, their other martial arts/combat sports programs look good.
  3. tim_stl is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/04/2008 11:49am


     Style: fma

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    mike casto is a good guy. if you're looking for kali, you should enjoy training with him.



    tim
  4. Travtex is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/07/2008 1:13am

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     Style: FMA

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    Random Amusement: Sikal(TM). Love it when they have to include the Registered Trademark on every instance of the word. Yes, it is TEH Sikal(tm)! The 'influences' list looks pretty solid.

    As styles, both 'Kali' and 'Silat' are vague. Kinda like saying 'Kung Fu'. The only thing I'd wonder about is how solid 'Primary Influences' stands. IOW, did the guy go to one seminar on Cacoy's Eskrido while primarily studying Balintawak, or was he mainly a Mande Muda guy who happened to meet Inosanto at some point, or...?
  5. k_raben is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/08/2008 3:57pm


     Style: Kali, Silat

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    I trained in Sikal under Guru Ken ( the head of the system) for about 2 1/2 years.

    If there have been no changes as I've been away for about 3 years, what I remember is the kali portion especially in the beginning is very much Balintawak influenced and the Silat is infuenced by Sera.

    The first video on the website is Guru Ken, the rest are Guru Casto.


    I've met and trained with Guru Casto and he is a good man.

    If you have a chance, check it out.

    Ken
    Last edited by k_raben; 8/09/2008 9:19am at .
  6. theotherserge is offline
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    Posted On:
    8/08/2008 8:09pm

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     Style: sambo/crossfit

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    Why "Sikal" [tm]? Why reinvent the wheel?
  7. Ryno is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/09/2008 12:36am


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    If it's heavily Balintawak influenced as K Raben states, then it might be a good thing. Taboada's got some good stuff. Very compact, yet explosive. Great use of non-stick hand.
  8. k_raben is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/09/2008 9:15am


     Style: Kali, Silat

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    It's just a way to combine Kali and Silat. My understanding is that it was originally Guru Inosanto's, but Guru Ken acquired it from him. A lot of the self defense forms are a kali entrance with a silat finish. I know that there is a fine line between what it Kali and what is Silat so it is difficult to say what is what.
  9. theotherserge is offline
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    Posted On:
    8/09/2008 9:40am

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     Style: sambo/crossfit

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_raben
    It's just a way to combine Kali and Silat. My understanding is that it was originally Guru Inosanto's, but Guru Ken acquired it from him. A lot of the self defense forms are a kali entrance with a silat finish. I know that there is a fine line between what it Kali and what is Silat so it is difficult to say what is what.
    I guess that is the same issue I have and I'm coming from FAR less depth in the FMA material.

    From my own background, there's been so many re-hashings and re-presentations of SAMBO (a style that was originally cobbed together from other styles) that anytime some say they have a new form of it, I get suspicious.

    I'd like to see more...
    Many things we do naturally become difficult only when we try to make them intellectual subjects. It is possible to know so much about a subject that you become totally ignorant.
    -Mentat Text Two (dicto)
  10. tim_stl is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/09/2008 12:46pm


     Style: fma

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherserge
    I guess that is the same issue I have and I'm coming from FAR less depth in the FMA material.

    From my own background, there's been so many re-hashings and re-presentations of SAMBO (a style that was originally cobbed together from other styles) that anytime some say they have a new form of it, I get suspicious.

    I'd like to see more...
    sikal is ken pannell's personal interpretation of what he's learned. it's very common in fma. everyone has their own style, even practitioners within the same system. some give a new name to their style, some don't. naming styles is a recent thing within fma anyway. don't get hung up on the naming in fma.



    tim
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