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    Taekwondo to be Taught to US Soldiers?!?

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    Taekwondo may be required for US Soldiers

    By Ryu Jin
    Staff Reporter
    The 8th U.S. Army (EUSA) command is considering making taekwondo, South Korea’s national martial art, compulsory for all of its soldiers as early as next year, officials said on Friday.

    ``The command is in the initial stage of investigating a proposal of making the Korean sport compulsory,’’ Ha Haeng-ja, spokesperson for the 8th Army, told The Korea Times.

    ``The martial art, which incorporates kicks and punches and teaches speed, strength and confidence which is crucial in combat, is believed to enhance the American soldiers’ fighting capability and help them understand Korean culture better,’’ she added.

    Taekwondo has been an obligatory part of physical training for soldiers of the 2nd Infantry Division, the 15,000-strong flagship U.S. unit located near the border with North Korea, since November 2000. They take at least one-hour taekwondo training session each week.

    Some 37,000 American troops are stationed on the peninsula, including the 28,000-strong 8th Army along with some airmen and marines. Another official said taekwondo lessons could be expanded to all of the 37,000 U.S. soldiers.

    The proposal was made by Kim Mu-nok, a Korean taekwondo grandmaster who oversees the 2nd Infantry Division program. The 8th Army command will look into its feasibility, according to officials. Currently, individual units make their own decisions about sports programs.

    Taekwondo became an official event at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney. It has a total of 11 degrees, or skill levels, with the highest level represented by the black belt.

    About 30,000 division soldiers have earned the lowest 10th- and 9th-degree yellow belts and just 100 obtained black belts so far, according to the U.S. Forces Korea.



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    Taekwondo has been an obligatory part of physical training for soldiers of the 2nd Infantry Division, the 15,000-strong flagship U.S. unit located near the border with North Korea, since November 2000. They take at least one-hour taekwondo training session each week.

    Some 37,000 American troops are stationed on the peninsula, including the 28,000-strong 8th Army along with some airmen and marines. Another official said taekwondo lessons could be expanded to all of the 37,000 U.S. soldiers.

    The proposal was made by Kim Mu-nok, a Korean taekwondo grandmaster who oversees the 2nd Infantry Division program. The 8th Army command will look into its feasibility, according to officials. Currently, individual units make their own decisions about sports programs.
    This is obscene. I was in the 2ID when this program was implemented. Not only that, I was recruited as one of my company's instructors...EVEN THOUGH I HAD VIRTUALLY NO TKD EXPERIENCE.

    As far as they were concerned, CMAs and Taekkyon were the same thing. Of course, then I would get these dorkos complaining that it was nothing like what they learned at John Cletus' All-American Tae Kwon Do Karate, Peoria, IL.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    Do you think that Kim Mu-nok is a bullshido master, like the others in the comment section say?
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    GOD FORBID THIS SHOULD HAPPEN.

    It isn't bad enough that soldiers have a tough time swallowing some of the bogus things shoved at them as modern solutions to their combat needs. Hell, I'm having a hard enough time trying to get the soldiers in my office to understand why their training in "approved" Army combatives (modified ever so slightly by my martial arts training ;) ) is even remotely necessary for them, and these are techniques that have been reported on heavily in the Army times (lots of troops are making use of their combatives training in the desert, and are finding it invaluable).

    I am "looking forward" (read - ready for the inevitable) to my rotation to Korea, and honestly if they make this shite mandatory I will disrupt the training by using what I already know to point out the flaws in that crap training... When I was there in '89-'90, even the Koreans that I was stationed there with (KATUSAs for us Army folk) admitted that their training was more sport than combat oriented!!! I had one KATUSA friend that had been doing TKD since he was about 7 years old, and he claimed his grandpappy (who was his teacher) was an authentic "grandmaster" in the "authentic and traditional" methods of TKD, but that he still didn't believe it had any worth for fighting! He was more impressed by what I could do (which was precious little back then) than what he had spent 12 years training in...

    Let's just hope and pray this doesn't happen... TKD, BJJ, then what else will the Army decide they think works? So far there are two arts with no combat history at all... Could be a Bad Thing...
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    Should just embrace the eclectic nature of the American population and offer either multiple courses in H2H or create some sort of a mix- wait, didn't they already try that like a million times?
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    I think tae kwon do had a combat history in vietnam.

    I'll look it up.

    The u.s. military is considering bjj too?
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    Yiliquan is totally correct about the typical Korean twentysomething's opinion of Tae Kwon Do.

    I forgot to mention though that I had some fatass buck sergeant tough guy that wouldn't ever participate. Claimed he was more of a "boxer". I was like, "Oh yeah. How long? I can arrange that too you know."

    Answer: "Oh you know like horseplaying with my brothers and ****."

    Yiliquan,
    I hope you are successful in disrupting it. It was hard to do so as a corporal. Once the PT exemption policy kicked back in, I was like, "See ya!".
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    TKD COMBAT HISTORY IN VIETNAM?! ARE YOU KIDDING?

    Look, the only combat history of martial arts that is reliable is that produced by regular public full-contact competition.

    God I can just see this.

    "TKD is proven because Koreans fought in Vietnam and the Korean War. But Muay Thai is not "combat-proven" because the Thais haven't fought any significant wars in the 20th century."
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    Didn't the U.S. 8th Army train for a while under the original Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do school?
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