Question about Gracie Combatives...

**Jim_Jude** · Posted On: 8/03/2008 1:09am

Originally Posted by lionknight

Google shows at least a couple places near you. You sure theirs NO bjj? ...or just none you want to attend?

Well, I may have to look again, BJJ places have a tendency to "come and go" around here. My friend that trains at the Gene Lebell affiliate up here said there weren't any active school close. I'll check again, thanks.

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 8/03/2008 7:26am

I have a law enforcement friend that went to that seminar. All you get is certified to teach Combatives techniques. Which is cool and all but really. It is basic. I mean really basic. He could demonstrate the techniques, but when rolling he was still green. It is actually a little embarrassing because when you teaching certain BJJ techniques, you like to get on the mat and show them. It sux when the people you try to demonstrate on are more knowledgeable than you are. That usually means you shouldn't be teaching.

All I really saying is that the seminar style is a good way to get those techniques from the source. But BJJ isn't a mystery, everyone has the techniques now. You just need to use them, drill them, and then when you think you know them, drill them some more.

So what are you planning to do? Go to the seminar, then come back and roll with friends, or other training parters. That is what my Law Enforcement friend did. He is starting to get pretty decent. It is hard for him though, because he has no one to ask questions too. But he is getting the reps in.

**1point2** · Posted On: 8/03/2008 9:15am

Does the combatives course talk at all about weapons retention, or downsides to groundfighting as a LEO/military?

Take my question with a grain of salt--I think learning grappling is absolutely essential for LEOs and military.

**Jim_Jude** · Posted On: 8/03/2008 3:41pm

Originally Posted by diesel_tke

I have a law enforcement friend that went to that seminar. All you get is certified to teach Combatives techniques. Which is cool and all but really. It is basic. I mean really basic. He could demonstrate the techniques, but when rolling he was still green. It is actually a little embarrassing because when you teaching certain BJJ techniques, you like to get on the mat and show them. It sux when the people you try to demonstrate on are more knowledgeable than you are. That usually means you shouldn't be teaching.

All I really saying is that the seminar style is a good way to get those techniques from the source. But BJJ isn't a mystery, everyone has the techniques now. You just need to use them, drill them, and then when you think you know them, drill them some more.

So what are you planning to do? Go to the seminar, then come back and roll with friends, or other training parters. That is what my Law Enforcement friend did. He is starting to get pretty decent. It is hard for him though, because he has no one to ask questions too. But he is getting the reps in.

Something like that.

Thanks for the tips.

***jnp*** · Posted On: 8/04/2008 9:01am

Originally Posted by Jim_Jude

Well, I may have to look again, BJJ places have a tendency to "come and go" around here. My friend that trains at the Gene Lebell affiliate up here said there weren't any active school close. I'll check again, thanks.

I'd train with the Gene Lebell affiliate, if you don't already. 'Judo' Gene was no stranger to restraining tactics himself.

**Jim_Jude** · Posted On: 8/04/2008 4:40pm

Originally Posted by jnp

I'd train with the Gene Lebell affiliate, if you don't already. 'Judo' Gene was no stranger to restraining tactics himself.

I would... but one of the assistant instructors there is an ex of my girlfriend and we don't get along. It's a shame really, since I get along with everyone else that I know training there.
Sometimes life gets in the way, you know?

**Jim_Jude** · Posted On: 8/06/2008 1:11am

Hey guys, thanks for the help. :icon_thum

**Brian R. VanCise** · Posted On: 8/06/2008 8:07am

I would just reiterate what everyone else said and just find a good BJJ school. In the long run you will be happy you did.

**Bustardo** · Posted On: 8/06/2008 10:04am

Originally Posted by Jim_Jude

I would... but one of the assistant instructors there is an ex of my girlfriend and we don't get along. It's a shame really, since I get along with everyone else that I know training there.
Sometimes life gets in the way, you know?

Suck it up, go train there.

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 8/06/2008 5:37pm

Originally Posted by 1point2

Does the combatives course talk at all about weapons retention, or downsides to groundfighting as a LEO/military?

Take my question with a grain of salt--I think learning grappling is absolutely essential for LEOs and military.

Yes, in the Law enforcement version they do some weapon's retention. It is some pretty tough stuff to learn. You pretty much need to roll with a duty belt on all the time. It has to become second nature. But the handcuffing stuff you do is the same type of stuff you get in the academy.

When I went through the academy we did lots of handcuffing stuff with ground training. Law Enforcement has pretty much got this down, but the Gracie's have some cool ways to impliment techniques.

The modern army combatives program has pretty good weapons retention stuff. It was developed by the gracies too.