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  1. kwangjochoi is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 3:30pm

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    Belt Rank - Who approves you and who approved them anyway?

    I understand that this may or may not have been debated before ad infinitum, but my question is this:

    Belt Ranks are a modern invention, and these days, with McDojos and the like, are a nice little money spinner for some (see CKD - 18 belts to Black Belt).

    Belts, being a modern thing, and started by Kano not that long ago, my question is:

    1. Are they really important or necessary?
    2. Who really approves them? I know there's lots of debate here on fakes and stuff, but who really has the authority to claim like General Choi he was a 10th DAN. Says who? Who gave him the right to wear that, and who gave anyone he learnt off the right to wear a belt colour or DAN level?

    Who really has the right to claim "history" in belts when it's just a man-made measure that we create in our little social training groups and circles?

    Just because 40 or so years ago, someone claimed a black belt, and their "organization" claimed them a 2nd, 3rd dan, etc and then they promoted them up through tyhe ranks at you know 5th, 6th, 9th, 10th etc, what makes this legit?
  2. Askari is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 3:37pm


     Style: BJJ, Ju-Jitsu

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    Welcome to Bullshido,

    Your scheduled beating will begin shortly.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
  3. 1point2 is online now
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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 4:00pm

    Join us... or die
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    Wrong forum n00b.

    Also, belt ranks are only valid within the organization that gives and recognizes them.

    Beyond that--ie, outside the recognizing organization--YMMV. Which is to say, the BJJ guys (try to) defend the status of their belts among fakers...but karate, TKD, etc have all lost the battle as to who has a legitimate rank. Self-proclaimed 10th dans are common.

    The solution, of course, is that I don't care about anyone's rank outside my own org. I only care about lineage, skill, and time spent (consecutively, actively) training.
  4. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Posted On:
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    I promoted myself.

    General Chaos has a nice ring to it.
  5. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Posted On:
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    What about Admiral intentions?
  6. kwangjochoi is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 5:16pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askari
    Your scheduled beating will begin shortly.
    Not too hard. I'll cry ;)
  7. kwangjochoi is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 5:18pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    What about Admiral intentions?
    Sorry, never met him.
  8. Eddie Hardon is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 5:26pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    What about Admiral intentions?
    How about Major Eyeswater ? Continues the military theme and a pun. Also probably a little too close to the Truth?

    *I am now backing away from the keyboard* :icon_salu
  9. lionknight is online now
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Much striking, SAMBO, BJJ

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    Luckily we only have about a month until school starts again.
  10. kwangjochoi is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/25/2008 6:28pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2
    Wrong forum n00b.
    The official forum for Bullshido. SERIOUS discussion on McDojos, questionable Martial Artists, and Martial Arts History only. Help us fight fraud in the Martial Arts by contributing well-thought-out threads and ideas on the subject.
    Sorry, in my head, "history" related to this topic.
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