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    Sicknick,

    Issues with Hock are completely irrelevant to issues with Wagner. Wagner's bullshit claims are still bullshit whether Hock is the biggest badass of all, or an idiot who didn't know difference between an M4 or an M80.

    So, in closing, either contribute to the investigation on Wagner via evidence for or against him...

    Or shut the **** up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknick
    Im not Wagner. Im not even a fan of his.

    Those pix comes from Hocks book Training Mission One.

    Theres nothing out of context about them. Either their good or their not. Im just point out things about him.
    In a thread about Wagner, yes, they are out of context.


    Hock is bitching about Wagner because he considers him competition and this is a way to slag him. He is also doing it to get exposure for himself and to bring people to his forum. He has his instructors posting about it on different forums. Its guerilla marketing.
    Nope. That wouldn't be allowed on Bullshido. He hasn't said anything about, his seminars, classes, or selling his products in this thread. So, you are wrong.


    If Wagner was teaching Tai Chi Hock wouldnt care what he claimed. And that is relevant.
    No, it isn't relevant to this thread about Wagner.

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    He's a fuckin' busta'. PERIOD. He made his square peg fit into a round hole, and the uninformed now believe his bullshit. Anyone who denounces everything as invalid is a mental invalid themselves. They're just projecting. He IS that dude.

    Who gives a **** if he was an Air Marshall? That's like saying he was an Air Force SP, LE guy or Army MP? So the **** what?! That **** rarely translates to knowing how to defend yourself in an unarmed scenario. Heat and blades make the biggest weakling, loser into an empowered dynamo. His ideas about real fighting and self preservation are patent and usually flat-out wrong.

    He thrives on denouncing the real and supplanting it with his plastic ****** ****. He's a waste of atoms. He's a typical know nothing dishing out fallacy. That's the American Way nowadays, right?! Whatever happened to "showin' and provin"? Maybe that's just in the Hip Hop culture not the real world.

    From Thomas Edison to Bill Gates, genius in the USA is based on biting someone else's ****, leaving the rest and taking all the credit for yourself. The "Pyramid Scheme" has many scales and levels...

    Waggie sucks ass, imho...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damai Bushi
    He's a fuckin' busta'. PERIOD. He made his square peg fit into a round hole, and the uninformed now believe his bullshit. Anyone who denounces everything as invalid is a mental invalid themselves. They're just projecting. He IS that dude.

    Who gives a **** if he was an Air Marshall? That's like saying he was an Air Force SP or LE guy or Army MP? So the **** what?! That **** rarely translates to knowing how to defend yourself in an unarmed acenario. Heat and blades make the biggest weakling, loser into an empowered dynamo. His ideas about real fighting and self preservation are patent and usually flat-out wrong.

    He thrives on denouncing the real and supplanting it with his plastic ****** ****. He's a waste of atoms. He's a typical know nothing dishing out fallacy. That's the American Way nowadays, right?!

    He sucks ass...
    this is helpful and pertinent to this discussion...how exactly? if u don't have anything intelligent to say go to YMAS or better yet here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damai Bushi
    He's a fuckin' busta'. PERIOD. He made his square peg fit into a round hole, and the uninformed now believe his bullshit. Anyone who denounces everything as invalid is a mental invalid themselves. They're just projecting. He IS that dude.

    Who gives a **** if he was an Air Marshall? That's like saying he was an Air Force SP or LE guy or Army MP? So the **** what?! That **** rarely translates to knowing how to defend yourself in an unarmed acenario. Heat and blades make the biggest weakling, loser into an empowered dynamo. His ideas about real fighting and self preservation are patent and usually flat-out wrong.

    He thrives on denouncing the real and supplanting it with his plastic ****** ****. He's a waste of atoms. He's a typical know nothing dishing out fallacy. That's the American Way nowadays, right?!

    He sucks ass...

    hehe! Nice. you have a nice descriptive touch my friend. A waste of atoms is ingenius, a real milk out of the nose thriller!

    Yeah cosign. My thoughts are similar and you said it a lot better.

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    Wow, I must be tired. For a second I thought you guys were talking about Jim Grover... Who is without doubt the real deal.

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    dsimon writes:

    Man I can so see it!! A real Perry Mason type drama. Wagner's lawyer could be played by Downey junior. He leaps up, "Yes its true you the court has shown my client has reintrpreted his experiences. Yes it is true that he has creatively embellished these experiences and certainly my client can accept this process..... but saying that my client eats at the Sponge Bob Weine Hut!? and that he is a regular there!? is slanderous and will not go unpunished!"

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