Throat strikes in MMA

**Stold3** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 11:57am

The pride rules say nothing about them.

The human trachea is about as tough to crush as a plastic dixie cup.

...As a dixie cup? Let me relate a little story. One time back in school during lunch, I exchanged a couple words with some kid (which I later found out was coked up at the time.) I turn my head and the next thing I know he has me in some kind of headlock. So I reach around, grab his trachea and squeeze it as hard as I can. I could feel my fingers touching behind it. This caused him to let up, allowing me to push on his elbow and escape, ending up behind him where I planted a punch to the back of his head.

The kid's throat was fine. And if it has been as easy to crush as a dixie cup wouldn't he be dead?

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:04pm

Im never fighting muay thai, sorry to say. In fact none of the people I train have any intention of fighting muay thai...they train the strikes the way muay thai does however.

When are you going to kill someone with a throat strike so you can make believe you know its lethal?

You have about as much experience with throat strikes as Stephen Hawking does in distance running.

**Punisher** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:05pm

I have also grabbed someone by the trachea and squeezed as hard as I could. He is not dead, and I am not in jail.

Pride Rules do state that one of the things not allowed is:

"Pushing the windpipe with the thumb or finger (s) or squeezing the windpipe"

**Disaster Master** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:15pm

Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
Im never fighting muay thai, sorry to say. In fact none of the people I train have any intention of fighting muay thai...they train the strikes the way muay thai does however.

That's too bad, I think you would gain from it.

"When are you going to kill someone with a throat strike so you can make believe you know its lethal?"

Touche.

I don’t have a link but maybe someone here does. In WW2 a women working as a spy in France, killed a German soldier with the combative training she got at spy school. She used a throat strike and surprise.

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:16pm

I heard in WW1 there was a giant SHREW that attacked a whole battalion but they incinerated it and, sad to say, the world will never know the truth......;)

**Stick** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:30pm

I just jumped to the last page here, so something like this may have been mentioned.

In TKD once I slipped a side kick in just under a guy's jaw. I'd been aiming for his face, and I noticed the kick was head to his throat so I pulled it, he still ended up on the ground gasping for air and hacking.

I don't care to go and find out, but if it doesn't kill someone if I were to just mash my forearm/side-of-hand under their jaw and into their throat in a nicec striking motion I'm quite certain it will put them in a serious world of hurt.

Having someone apply a forearm choke on you while they're in your guard is nothing like having a foot slammed into your trachea. You see the forearm comming, you can brace for it, there's a lot more control. It's like comparing a knuckle grind to the temple (aggravating) to a knuckle-sandwhich to the temple (thunk). If anyone used choking as their reasoning for the ineffectivness of a throat strike I'd have to say that's full of bullshido.

Anywho, still gonna fight chin down to keep from getting choked ^_^

**Disaster Master** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:45pm

Some police departments have banned the use of choke holds because they have resulted in a few deaths where swelling closed off the person’s air, its common sense that a forceful blow can do the same thing.

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:48pm

Keeping your chin down has nothing to do with a proper choke. A proper choke attacks your arteries on the sides of your neck and stops the blood flow to your brain. Ive been able to breathe fine and blacked out a second later because my brain wasnt getting blood.

**Stold3** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:48pm

Some police departments have banned the use of choke holds because they have resulted in a few deaths where swelling closed off the person’s air

er. Wouldn't there be quite a few deaths in all the MMA, BJJ and Judo schools around the world if that were true? Where did you hear that?

**Disaster Master** · Posted On: 12/06/2003 12:57pm

Originally posted by Stold3
er. Wouldn't there be quite a few deaths in all the MMA, BJJ and Judo schools around the world if that were true? Where did you hear that?

Er, competition were people can tap out is different from a LEO trying to subdue a PCP freak.

The deaths were accidental btw.