Jim Wagner's military, police, counter-terror creds in question.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 7/12/2008 10:48pm

Originally Posted by bushi51

Wagner was an "Air Marshal". I do know that for a fact. I cannot speak to his other claims though.

Just for clarity, I was an Air Marshal from 2002-2007.

Can you provide any evidence or proof. Not that I doubt you, but some clear proof would help the investigation. This way, it is not just hearsay.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 7/12/2008 10:49pm

Originally Posted by Bishop

I was wondering how long it would before people started asking questions. A lot of us old time Orange County cops have been shaking our heads and laughing for years about this.

Can you elaborate please...
What does the Orange County police think about this?

**bushi51** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 10:56am

Originally Posted by sambosteve

Can you provide any evidence or proof. Not that I doubt you, but some clear proof would help the investigation. This way, it is not just hearsay.

I am afraid the only way is to call the Field Office in your area and see if they can confirm that he was a FAM at one time. All current and former FAMs are kept in an easily accessable database for quick confirmations. Contact LAX Transortation Security Administration Office of Law Enforcement.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 2:23pm

Originally Posted by bushi51

I am afraid the only way is to call the Field Office in your area and see if they can confirm that he was a FAM at one time. All current and former FAMs are kept in an easily accessable database for quick confirmations. Contact LAX Transortation Security Administration Office of Law Enforcement.

Cool.

How did you come to know he was an air marshal?

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 4:25pm

He wrote an article about it for Black Belt Magazine I believe.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 4:27pm

Originally Posted by Bishop

Well, the question would be the same as his Army service. For how long? And what were the circumstances of his separation from service?

How would we obtain access to this information?

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 4:40pm

BTW a quick joke:

How does Jim Wagner break the tension on a tense counter-terrorism mission?

"Can I have a coke along with that bag of peanuts?"

The allegation is that he lists all of his flights as a air marshal as "counter terror" missions which seems kind of misleading if nothing ever happened on them.

**A.M.** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 5:14pm

Here is a list of the requirements needed to be a air marshal.

http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/jobs...l-1111204.html

It also has some contact info in there. Don't know if it would be useful for this thread though.

**Bishop** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 5:32pm

Originally Posted by Samuel Browning

How would we obtain access to this information?

Unlike military records, I would think most law enforcement service records would be confidential. Someone outside of law enforcement circles may be able to find out simple stuff like length of employment. But circumstances of termination, voluntary or involuntary would probably be a confidential personnel issue only available to a court or other law enforcement agency conducting a pre-employment background investigation.
The employment records of air marshall's may be available thru the "Freedom of Information Act", since they are federal employees. But the act only applies to federal records, so other (city or state) law enforcement employment records would not be available.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 7/13/2008 6:02pm

This is a link to another forum discussing Mr. Wagner.

http://selfprotection.lightbb.com/se...wnet-t6252.htm

I will now start copying Mr. Wagner's comments from his own website which can be found here.

http://www.jimwagnerrealitybased.com...ly08fraud.html