ok a couple of things.
Originally Posted by Wagner
over the years ive trained with dutch police guys and mr wagner makes it seem more then it is.
ofcourse he was checked out by interpol, if he had a criminal record etc.
they do that with everyone.
they dont let anyone teach the policeforce here?
i beg to differ.
Last edited by Lebell; 10/19/2008 10:17am at .
The only concern I'd had thus far has been the misleading use of the Sergeant rank and the rather extreme use of advertising. But then again, I've seen some fairly horrendous MA advertisements around the place; even for places which, as far as I with my limited experience can tell, offer practical and enjoyable training.
But after having read through this thread, I'm profoundly disturbed; I may have to resort to the age-old technique of asking Matt or even Jim (if I attend his next seminar) what the deal is.
So, in other words, he types a ton of words and still won't answer questions.
Where does he answer this?
It started as “Jim Wagner was never a sergeant in the military” to “Yes, Jim Wagner is a military sergeant, but he was not on the SWAT team” and all sorts of accusations in between.
So? Frank Dux made the covers of magazines.
Blitz magazine placed me on the cover a few months ago because the Jim Wagner Reality-Based system is a global system that is growing.
I see no answers but, a great sales pitch for RBSD.
Maybe it is just me but, if you are going to bring something up, address the issue.
Instead he gives us a RBSD commercial.
Don't do the blue font stuff again.
Okay one more post.
I read that longish letter on sport blitz.
Anyone want to explain this? Military and LEOs only:
As a civilian, can I get equal training as an enlisted Marine?
Originally Posted by Supposedly Jim Wagner
Depends on how much money you have to spend for that training. I don't know of any of the military branches that just give out that kind of training without you either paying for it in time (enlist) or money (pay us for our time). There may be some former military types who train civilians and give them the "military experience" but they don't really give them the military experience. If they really did, they wouldn't have many repeat customers.
Originally Posted by It is Fake
That's also something that separates "getting military training" and "being trained in the military"; that being the commitment aspect. You will view the training differently depending on whether you are learning it as a hobby (or for marketing purposes) or as a soldier who may need to rely on it to save your life and/or the life of your buddies/innocents.
Disclaimer: Former Army, not Marine.
Jim likes to keep saying he is the most sought after, read, whatever instructor but I have to ask by WHO?
I find it also funny that no US military branch has adopted Wagner's training. Its the same with all these types if what they peddle is so good then why aren't they being snatched up to help the guys who actually need it other than the weekend warriors and wannabes?
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This may have been mentioned at some point ealyer that I missed but I recall reading a colum he wrote about his knife in which he said something about needing only 3 millimeters of penetration on a stab to induce shock. My medical training is not that advanced (halfway through EMT-B) but it seems to me that it would would take more depth of penatration to on average to couse enough fluid loss to make some one shocky with any reliability. Someone with more knowledge on shock might be able to reply to this. I believe the article appeared in Black Belt.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d-org-2000.gif As can be seen by anybody, his CSMR unit is NOT an element of the 40th IN Bde, in spite of his claims of his unit being "assigned" to it.
"As investigators looking into military matters you should be using proper vocabulary." Well Jimmy, "ANG" is the abbreviation for Air National Guard, not Army National Guard as you stated (the correct abbreviation is ARNG). Get YOUR vocabulary right.
Regarding trying to validate the CSMR based upon being subject to the UCMJ is false on a few points. First, CSMR members are subject to state codes, not federal codes - ever. The UCMJ is a federal document. I don't care how many websites you can point to that have that INCORRECT statement. Look it up in your own state codes.
Second, why do you feel the need to make the CSMR something that it is not? You are acting like you are embarrassed to be a member, as if it does not meet whatever standard you are setting for it. You are disrespecting all of the patriots who volunteer their time with the CSMR by doing so.
I also see you deftly skated over the probability that you did not even attend and/or graduate from AIT. From what you wrote, you only attended BCT. My guess is that you did not attend AIT. Which would also lead me to believe that you probably have an "uncharacterized" discharge (entry-level separation) as opposed to an honorable one. If you are claiming an honorable discharge, the burden of proof is on you. Post your DD 214 if you are going to make that claim - if it bothers you that bad to be called out on it.
I agree with Gezere - the whole letter comes across as lots of words with very little substance. A self-aggrandizing advertisement.
Good luck with your business; I have no ill-will towards you for your chosen line of work. Just keep in mind that whenever you advertise deceptively, you will be called out on it.
Thank you, that is what I thought.
Originally Posted by datdamnmachine
Here's the wiki on military discharge for those who are curious:
Originally Posted by Jeff C.
I still haven't found anything yet that suggests you can get "military" training without joining; that is from the actual military. Considering the monetary cost of per recruit training even though its done by bulk, it would be very cost prohibitive to provide that training to civilians. Some cursory searching on the interwebs:
Originally Posted by It is Fake
military training for civilians - Google Search
Almost everything that turns up is your typical "train like the military trains.." type stuff were you pay a bunch of money and get the experience. Again, the problem lies in the fact that you are basically buying a product that, if not to your liking, you can give back, refuse to use, etc. No commitment needed. Again, it goes back to the commitment thing.
I guess if you went through one of those things and they are ran by former military personal, it could be a bit of a stretch to say you were "military trained". "Technically" it would be true, but then that's the problem. Too much "stretching" of truth.
See, and that is what I have heard. I thought maybe some of you "actual" serving members knew of such a thing. The fact you are having trouble finding anything that matches his alleged words is telling.
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